Kodak no longer selling E100D directly to customers?

[Alan Edward Klein]

Seeing the writing on the wall of the future of film but pointing to a generation old contract and forcing the supplier to stick to it is a bad way to protect the future of that business. It's not 2008 anymore. The world of photography has had a massive shift. Almost as big as the shift from film to digital. Give the customers what they want, not what cooperate made a deal with. Imagine if Coke comes out and says 'We can't see Vanilla Coke anymore because only McDonalds has the distribution for Vanilla and there's nothing we can do about it.' A strong company always finds a way to satisfy their customer base. Pointing to Alaris is a lame excuse.

How about Eastman starts their own line of film? Eastman Original.

Maybe Alaris's new owners should buy Eastman's film division, or the whole company. After all, the new Alaris owners are in Los Angeles, where Hollywood is located, and producers buy movie films from Eastman directly. If I were the new owner, I would want to control Kodak film manufacturing, not just distribution. You can do more creative things if you make the film as well as distribute it.

 

[f/Alex]

How about Eastman starts their own line of film? Eastman Original.

Sounds like Harmon 2.0. haha. Pheonix is grainy, but I got my start in film shooting P3200 so... the partner loves to wear red and pheonix does that pretty well. Maybe in 120 it'll be worth shooting seriously? I'd love to see some new stocks out of Rochester.

In all seriousness, the guy I work for thinks it's just because of supply issues, in that they just don't make much of it in the first place? and the fact that i just paid $85 (inc shipping + tax) for a single box of 4x5 ektachrome is supporting that. It's out of stock *EVERYWHERE* except Mike's Camera and Cinestill it seems. I got my last box from FPP, and it's a shame I've so recently fallen in love with it, continuing my ever more expensive slide film addiction.

 

[destroya]

I am going to try and order another 400ft roll in january and will see if it can go thru. last one I bought, I had my son order it as he was a theater film major in LA and ordered it for me. fingers crossed. But I really doubt the will do it. maybe Ill have him drive to hollywood to pick it up, that might make it easier.

 

[TimKr]

Seems like it's now in partial effect in Europe as well. At least one of the largest resellers of Kodak Cine stock in Germany changed their website and doesn't sell to individuals anymore...

 

[koraks]

Seems like it's now in partial effect in Europe as well. At least one of the largest resellers of Kodak Cine stock in Germany changed their website and doesn't sell to individuals anymore...

Which one is/was that?
You could still try frame24.co.uk Might not be quite as attractive due to the additional taxes and higher shipping costs, but AFAIK they at least still sell the product.

 

[TimKr]

That would be Cinegrell.
Yes, frame24 does still sell Vision3 stock. Being in Switzerland, I'll basically have to pay additional taxes anyway. The sources certainly haven't dried up entirely but it seems that things are in motion.

 

[Formulahunter]

Seems like it's now in partial effect in Europe as well. At least one of the largest resellers of Kodak Cine stock in Germany changed their website and doesn't sell to individuals anymore...

Have you tried ordering material? I was able to get some 35mm Film from them not far in the past.

 

[PercyMcfly]

Definitely not selling in Germany, i contacted them recently and only got the reply that it is only being sold to motion picture productions. I assume same goes for all their motion picture film.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Guys, it's not a big deal, really! All things considered.

What things?
- Inadequate pricing for
- the poor product quality.

? WHAT, KODAK MAKES A POOR PRODUCT?
! YES!

Someone said that Kodak has monopoly on Slide film, but in it's current iteration E100/E100D leaves a projectionist dumbfounded. So Kodak might have a monopoly on a poor Slide Film.

What makes it poor? Resolution (objective, measurable) and color balance (subjective, valid).
Ektachrome E100 and E100D projected next to any Fuji film looks poor at 50x magnification. So poor in fact that it's downright unacceptable to me who shoots and have been shooting slides exclusively, using the same lab for all my E-6 needs.

E100 projected next to BW Slide looks plain atrocious.
But it costs effin 30EUR in EU! An overpriced film for sure - especially for the qualities on display.

It will work:
- with subjects that aren't really detailed and
- low magnifications, but Slide Film isn't really about either of these.


So I feel no loss and I keep waiting for Fuji to unfuji itself to have my Provia and Velvia - superb films in every metric

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Actually I wonder if this move by Kodak is somehow related to this poor performance...

 

[PercyMcfly]

Actually I wonder if this move by Kodak is somehow related to this poor performance...

I heard that there is drama between Kodak Alaris and Eastman Kodak. Motion Picture sales to anything outside of motion picture projects is forbidden now(as far as i understand), so this decision is a massive blown for anyone aiming to bulk load motion picture film. Tri-X, Vision 3.. all the good stuff is now a thing of the past for still photography..

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Vision 3 was/is quite lovely and that'd be sad to see it being taken away.

I have 0 respect towards Kodak / Alaris and their questionable business practices.

Have you seen Kodak branded SSD's?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Guys, it's not a big deal, really! All things considered.

What things?
- Inadequate pricing for
- the poor product quality.

? WHAT, KODAK MAKES A POOR PRODUCT?
! YES!

Someone said that Kodak has monopoly on Slide film, but in it's current iteration E100/E100D leaves a projectionist dumbfounded. So Kodak might have a monopoly on a poor Slide Film.

What makes it poor? Resolution (objective, measurable) and color balance (subjective, valid).
Ektachrome E100 and E100D projected next to any Fuji film looks poor at 50x magnification. So poor in fact that it's downright unacceptable to me who shoots and have been shooting slides exclusively, using the same lab for all my E-6 needs.

E100 projected next to BW Slide looks plain atrocious.
But it costs effin 30EUR in EU! An overpriced film for sure - especially for the qualities on display.

It will work:
- with subjects that aren't really detailed and
- low magnifications, but Slide Film isn't really about either of these.


So I feel no loss and I keep waiting for Fuji to unfuji itself to have my Provia and Velvia - superb films in every metric

I love Velvia 50 but unfortunately they stopped making it in 4x5 and larger. Only made in 120 and 35mm although I can't seem to find it lately.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Vision 3 was/is quite lovely and that'd be sad to see it being taken away.

I have 0 respect towards Kodak / Alaris and their questionable business practices.

Have you seen Kodak branded SSD's?

Kodak/Alaris was a shotgun marriage under duress for both sides.

 

[George Mann]

What makes it poor? Resolution (objective, measurable)

I find it to be sufficient. But I am not projecting it, just viewing it it with a loupe on a light-table.

and color balance (subjective, valid).

I greatly prefer the more accurate color balance of Ektachrome, although I warm it up a bit by using a KR3.

What warming filters have you used with it?

 

[Cholentpot]

Vision 3 was/is quite lovely and that'd be sad to see it being taken away.

I have 0 respect towards Kodak / Alaris and their questionable business practices.

Have you seen Kodak branded SSD's?

back to scrounging for short ends. It's what I've always done.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I find it to be sufficient. But I am not projecting it, just viewing it it with a loupe on a light-table.



I greatly prefer the more accurate color balance of Ektachrome, although I warm it up a bit by using a KR3.

What warming filters have you used with it?

Tiffen 812 and did not like the effect that much

 

[Ben Hutcherson]

I find fresh E100 basically indistinguishible from E100G that I shot and processed when fresh, or even pretty darn close to some of the E100G I still have frozen. E100GX is the one I really miss since it cleans up the blue shadows nicely of E100/E100G

I've not shot test charts with either, but have shot plenty of detailed subjects. Even back in they day, I always considered E100G/GX to be one of the "cleanest" films on the market, and always felt like in particular it rendered skies as cleanly as digital. I use to call it "the most digital film on the market it." That's probably not a popular thing to say now, as most of us shoot film to look like film, but in the mid to late 2000s it was a complement to say that a particular film stock rendered like digital.

In any case, if I could reliably get Provia and Velvia my freezer would probably be full of them. With that said, I'm pleased with E100 and have learned to work with it. Considering that my newest Fuji slide films expired in 2019, I'm wondering if I'll even manage to own any made in this decade, and if once what's in my freezer is gone if it will be replaced.

Meanwhile, I should have 10 rolls of 120 E100 and 10 rolls of Flic Film respooled E100D delivered sometime today. I will gladly shoot those, and even if it's not Velvia I'll still be happy with the results. That's just me, though.

Even if it's not my favorite film, I consider anything that keeps the remaining E6 in place to be a good thing....

 

[cmacd123]

FWIW, I decided to buy a roll of Double X 5222 in December from B&H. today I want to see if the price had changed and found that B&H is listing it as "discontinued" in their selection. I am assuming that this is because they can no longer purchase it. 5294 (Ektachrome) does not even appear in their search.

Flic Film did post a short video this week saying that they had "Lots" of Vision Film, and that they had planned ahead.