Kodak Files for Bankruptcy Protection 1/18/2012

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They will probably pawn off a bunch of patents and sell off their printing business, at least that's what I would do.

They should just make film, which is really their only profitable sector. Film, paper and chemistry. Leave the digisnaps to the Canons and Nikons and do what they've been doing for 130+ years.
 

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Jeez, you guys just going off and buying film by the 100's of rolls really make me want to . . . well rob a 7-11? My film budget is about that much per YEAR! How do you do it? I'd dearly love to go out and buy 100's of rolls of Tri-X and Portra right now... buy some for me!
 

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When I got serious about large format photography about 10 years ago I set a rule for myself - no chasing after discontinued products. What a galaxy of heartache that policy has avoided. I've bought a few boxes of Azo whenever someone has stuck one under my nose, but when Kodak discontinued my favorite film in 8x10, I just shrugged and ordered some HP5+.

Sad, yes, in a detached sort of way. But at this point I don't think it will affect my life any more than did the demise of F.W. Woolworth or International Harvester. They were both in the DJIA at one point. Somehow the earth continued to spin without them.
 

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Other way around according to their financials.

Film loses money and is bleeding revenues at 3x the rate of their other biz.

With people at garage sales giving away film camera for a dime, where is the demand for film?
 

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Why would a creditor want to bid on a business they can pick up for no additional input of capital as part of a bankruptcy settlement?

That's kind of what I meant. They have to make a business case to the judge or, it is worth zero, the land is sold for other purposes and the production facilities for scrap. The other creditors have to agree.

Whatever, because film demand is still in steep decline, the issue is whether a restructured Kodak with creditors as preferred shareholders will still be in the film biz. Almost certainly not because any shareholder wants to see increased revenues. From the financials the print lines are close to being in the black without debt and pension obligations. Film is in the red because aggregate demand is still falling.

Film will go. Where? Hard to say. I predict private venture capital (maybe even a vulture fund) backed by some players in the motion picture industry.
 

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The Chapter 11 process only directly affects the US operations - Kodak's restructuring website makes that clear.

So the non-US subsidiaries may very well have entirely separate arrangements with their retirees - as I understand it, that is the case with Kodak Canada.

And as for US retiree pensions, this excerpt from that restructuring website confirms my understanding that Kodak has in the past created separate funds for retirement pensions and funded those funds each time that an employee retires, and those separate funds are subject to trust protections:

[h=4]"Kodak Retirement Income Plan Benefits[/h] What will happen to my Kodak Retirement Income Plan (KRIP),benefit
Currently it is expected that there will be no impact on the amount of KRIP benefits or the payment of monthly annuities, given that the Plan is well funded and neither Kodak nor its creditors have access to KRIP’s assets.
Are the assets of the KRIP protected from creditors’ claims in the Chapter 11 proceedings?
Yes. Assets in Kodak’s qualified pension plans, including the KRIP, are held in a separate trust and are not part of Kodak’s assets. U.S. federal law protects qualified pension plan assets from the claims of Kodak’s creditors and a federal agency, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, insures payments up to a certain level."
 

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Film is 26% of revenues. But probably most of the net income (profit). Film sales have fallen 40% since 2008, probably more due to the digitization of Hollywood than what still photographers are and aren't buying.

Forgive my ignorance regarding motion picture film, but isn't movie film always positive? If "Hollywood" is the last hope for film (as is posted here quite often), how does this account for the continued life and vigor of negative films?
 
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i just went out and bought 1000 sheets of ko 8x10 film
1000 sheets of tmy2 4x5
400 rolls of tmy and tri x 35mm
and 100 rolls of tmy 120 ...

then i bought a bridge in NYC

You need more than one pair of underpants for that.
 

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Forgive my ignorance regarding motion picture film, but isn't movie film always positive? If "Hollywood" is the last hope for film (as is posted here quite often), how does this account for the continued life and vigor of negative films?

Commercial theatre movie films are shot on negative stock, scanned to a high resolution digital file, edited, transfrred to another negative "master" and then printed on print stock (another negative stock) for distribution to theatres. Lots and lots and lots of print stock- a significant majority of all film produced is used for movie prints.
 
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"The filing lists its assets as worth $US5.1bn - but its debts stand at $US6.8bn."

There is no room to breathe between those figures! And just 18 months to turn their grave (mis)fortunes around? Is there a precedent of any other company having survived with a plan like this? The more I read the more I have to shake my head at the pitiful decisions of the moguls in charge of EK. They dropped the ball big time.

(http://www.theage.com.au/business/w...-protection-20120120-1q8yx.html#ixzz1jwV1cp00)
 

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Bad choice of words between the quotation marks. It should be: "The filing lists its assets as worth $US5.1bn - but its {obligations} stand at $US6.8bn."

The difference appears small, but it is actually profound.

Much of the substance of the obligations isn't current debt, but rather long term obligations like employee pensions. The valuation of those long term obligations is a question of expert opinion, and is subject to revision.

Much of the substance of the assets isn't current accounts payable or cash, but rather estimated valuation of physical assets and Intellectual Property and "goodwill'. Each of these components have been reduced in value considerably due to a number of factors, but mainly market changes.

It would be very interesting to see what the total value is of the write-downs Kodak has had to take in the valuation of their fixed and long term assets during, for example. Antonio Perez's tenure.
 

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Having lived most of my 53 years just a skip and a hop from Eastman Gelatin. I have driven through the heart of their facility, 100's of times. Seeing it go from being a large employer, to just a skeleton of itself is sad. At the same time, I have to say that, because of this companies turmoil over the last several years, I have chosen to use other brands of film 90% of the time. Like others here, I shop at Freestyle because they are committed to supplying us with the best products they can. I also support Ilford, Fuji and some others. As much as I would love to support Kodak 100%. I can't get behind a company that continues to do everything in it's power, to destroy the things that made them great to begin with. I hope that all those who worked hard for Kodak, don't loose all that they worked for, but we all know how these things usually work out

Like others have already said. I will also be sad to see Kodak gone, if it comes to that. However, I will continue on with film, and all of it's beauty, and wort's :munch:
 

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Remember that for a business, they have a Balance Sheet. One side of the Balance sheet is Assets which is any real property in addition to liquid assets and inventory. The other side of the balance sheet is Liabilities which is any debt, both long term and short term and added to this is the value of the Stock ownership (investors).
 

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Film loses money and is bleeding revenues at 3x the rate of their other biz.

You keep saying this. Cite your proof.

As far as "losing money", it really all depends on how one accounts for the long-term obligations like pensions, and the asset write-downs.

Aristophanes appears to be allocating both as costs/liabilities associated with the film division, and therefore properly accounted for there. There is certainly some logic behind that approach.

And there is no doubt that the film division's revenues are the ones that are "bleeding" the most, because that is where they have revenues that are big enough to matter that much.
 

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You keep saying this. Cite your proof.

This is from the 2011 3Q Report:

"Third-quarter digital revenue grew 3% excluding that year-ago intellectual property revenue and a 25% decline in the company’s Digital Cameras & Devices business, which reflects the strategic decision this year to trade revenue for improved earnings. Revenue from the core digital growth businesses – Consumer and Commercial Inkjet, Workflow Software & Services, and Packaging Solutions – increased 13%, fueled by 44% revenue growth in Consumer Inkjet printers and ink, and 89% revenue growth in Packaging Solutions. The revenue decline rate for the company’s Film, Photofinishing and Entertainment Group slowed to 10% in the third quarter."

Go back through the and this pattern is repeated, and, in fact, the losses on the digital side appear to have stabilized.

Most of the pension obligations were undertaken during the film era. Weight them towards that end of the business and film is the big problem that constrains access to capital for all of Kodak's other operations.

Much of the debt goes to trying to find sources to replace the revenue lost when consumers ran away from film. Is that good debt or bad? Hard to say. Regardless of whether it lies on the digital side or the film side of the balance sheet, it still doesn't change the fact that film customers have mostly left for digital. And it appears the digital sales actually grew...in a really rough economy. So a restructured Kodak may be able to sell digital products and pay off the debt, but they cannot do that with film products.
 

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The pension obligations were NOT mainly from the film era. They are quite equally distributed IMHO based on how many people from film divisions moved over from to digital that were not laid off. Retirees from digital divisions now almost equal those from film divisions when we gather for lunches of the retirees group. Now I grant you, the film retirees are older! But, there are less of them due to attrition. Also, a lot of the income from film has been plowed back into digital. In addition, many things are contracted out nowdays giving a low burden in terms of pensions and benefits.

As for the figures, Digital sales went up as noted, and film went down, but Digital started with a much smaller base and film started with a much larger base. This still gives film a larger income and a larger profit. Give the numbers, not the percentages!

PE
 

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Losing film before we know how long digital will last.

The sad thing about film going south is that we still don't know how long digital will last. Even with the new CD's that are suppose to last forever, they could be gone in 40 years. If they do last 200 years, great. It will be a sad day if 40 years from now we find out that digital doesn't last, and all these pictures are not recoverable. That is the only real unknown concerning digital. For me at the age of 60 (in three weeks) it doesn't matter. My days of picture taking will only last another 20 years at most. My VHS video tapes have lasted far longer than they were suppose to, and maybe digital will too. I hope so. Ric.
 

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Based on what Parez says in the video, I would say the outlook for us is quite grim.
 

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From their Q3 SEC submittal:

"Revenue and profitability for the nine months ended September 30, 2011 declined primarily due to non-recurring intellectual property licensing arrangements in the prior year period, and were also negatively impacted by industry-related volume declines and increased commodity costs, particularly silver, in the Film, Photofinishing, and Entertainment Group (FPEG) segment. The Company has been utilizing price increases and silver-indexed pricing models, as well as continuing its silver hedging program to mitigate the impact of historically high 31 silver prices on FPEG. Given the time necessary to implement these actions, results were affected more positively in the third quarter from the pricing actions than in the first half of 2011."

The part about revenue and profitability declining is a giveaway.

The income (revenues) from film have to be ploughed back into their print operations because the revenues for print are stabilizing (commercial and consumer services) and the film revenues are on a steady clip downwards.

And film does not have a larger revenue stream. Consumer Digital as of Q3 2011 was $1,142, Graphic Communications was $1,975, and Film and Entertainment $1,152.

If you look at the non-group losses from restructuring and rationalization, most of which is attributable to the FPEG, the measly $2 million "profit" the film side shows is completely wiped away by the $39 million attributable to their share of the costs for R&R. If you split the pension obligations as well this makes the film side unable to finance itself nor support a larger corporate structure.

The critical issue is revenues. Film revenues are in free fall at over 10% per. What you notice in the statements is that the Net sales for FPEG decline, but guess what? The Cost of sales is staying constant. This means that the FPEG group cannot sell down any more assets (close factories, sell land, lay off people) and break even. It has to draw on the other group revenues to stay solvent. This is not a case of film miraculously being profitable when the customer base is declining; this is a case of the cost to manufacture and distribute film products and services hits a floor. Film has no marketing because they cannot afford it and no one would listen.

This cannot continue. The decline of film revenues is breaking Kodak's back.

I am not saying that the digital push on at Kodak is a success, certainly not the consumer division. I have grave doubts about that. But digital is not dragging down the film side or capturing needed resources that could revive film. The staggering loss of film consumption has destroyed the company's equity and goodwill positions and it is pretty clear the Kodak management cannot see a way to stabilize the losses. It's pretty certain an outside group will have to take the film side over, find the bottom with the risk of private capital, and create an ecosystem of sales and production based on a whole new model and market space for traditional film emulsion. If this happens, look to some deep pockets in the motion picture industry to find the money.
 

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from the The British Journal of Photography

"Film division is still profitable," says Kodak

http://www.bjp-online.com/british-j.../news/2140216/-film-division-profitable-kodak

some updates from BJP technical writer and Silverprint

"....BJP's technical writer Jonathan Eastland, Kodak is not doing enough to sustain the business. "Kodak needs to look at what is its core business. What make them think that digital printing will push their share price up? For Kodak to make digital printers their core business is laughable."

Instead, says Eastland, Kodak should truly embrace its historical status as a master of film photography. "Each time Kodak has discontinued a film, they used the excuse that it represented less than a certain percentage of their turnover, but it's still a percentage of a very large niche market. There are still millions of photographers around the world that are using film, and not hundreds as Kodak seems to suggest [see Jonckheer's statement above]."

Eastland adds: "Kodak's got to go back and crunch their numbers about the film market. All people want are these little yellow boxes of film, and that should be their core business, even it means reducing the company's size further. Kodak needs to hire people that actually know about film photography. It needs to market it properly and set up some great labs in strategic places with great customer service."

Silverprint, a UK distributor and retailer of film equipment, agrees, stating that "over the last 12 months our sales figures of traditional film and paper have risen." It adds, on its Facebook page: "Silverprint has never been more determined in our commitment to supplying all our analog users worldwide, with everything they require to enjoy and develop both their careers or simply their love of analog photography. We feel that the press has currently converted the KODAK Story from "133 Year Old Company...Dead!"...to "Film...DEAD!". This is simply not the case, both in terms of sales figures and the current online buzz surrounding analog imagery and techniques. Variety is the spice of life and surely we are all commited to that idea!"
......"
 
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Like many others, my reaction to hearing the news of Kodak's problems was one of shock, horror and disbelief. OK, so we'd guessed that something like this was on the cards, but when such an iconic company falls on hard times (Woolworths, already mentioned. was another example) it's inevitably a bit of a wake-up call. However, in the cold light of day, since Kodak stopped making B/W paper, and since Kodachrome processing went to pot a few years ago, the only Kodak product I use is Elitechrome, though even that is up for debate, as not so long ago they discontinued my preferred 100ASA version. Consequently, I concluded that my reaction was based 90% on nostalgia for the Good Old Days of cardboard bikini-clad Kodak girls and promotional Kodak beach balls and hold-alls, but only 10% on anything tangible.
In the worst case scenario, if Kodak analogue products are to be no more, it'll be sad, but I'll live with it. Alternatively, if at this time there's a willingness by "someone" to re-invent the film division, they must by definition think that the products have a future, and that attitude must inevitably be better for all concerned than Kodak's attitude in recent times. Though the scale may be different, there must be things to be learned from Ilford's story.

Steve
 

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I can understand "horror," in this case (at least in the figurative sense; I'd probably say "dismay," myself.), but not shock or disbelief. For at least 10 years now, it has been pretty-much plain as day that this day would come. Nothing lasts forever. Here's hoping that at least one good thing comes out of this – that the other film companies pick up customers due to it.
 

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That Kodak's film sales, and revenue, have fallen deeply, is not the real issue. The real issue was that Kodak ceased marketing these products. At all. Try and find film on their web site. Show me a print ad in a recent photo magazine. They gave up on film and hoped legacy loyalty (and of course, the finest film products in the world) would suffice. It didn't.

Kodak as a company would probably have been better off coming clean. Abandoning film altogether.
 
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