O.k., you call facts you don't like informercial hype....
LSI sold about 7 million films last year.
Regards,
Henning
Last I looked CIPA stopped listing film camera sales 4 years ago when demand fell off a cliff and all major manufacturers stopped P&S camera manufacture Maybe I am wrong, but I looked and cannot find them.
They also count disposable cameras.
Sources?
GfK, ACNielsen, two suppliers of LSI, LSI (the data is from a cancelled market research project).
Regards,
Henning
Me! Me! Me! But only when I'm at work and it's a Keystone EPI-2 or MRP pneumatic...
You know, the site I'm working at now doesn't have a single pneumatic anything. The valve positioners are electronic. Nor for that matter is anything 4-20ma. The valves are Modbus485, as are most of the instruments. And what isn't 485 is Modbus/TCP.
The kids I'm working with wouldn't know what 3-15 psi meant if was written on the side of the box. But at least they've seen 4-20ma before.
EDIT: So after a minute of thought here is an absolutely totally unrelated subtopic about an industry where the analog has vanished and the whole site is digitally controlled. That really wasn't my point when I answered Thomas. Just an observation a few seconds after I posted it
MB
Where can we read these?
It hasn't been published, because the project was cancelled.
You may have a look here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/camera-club-blog/2011/dec/29/camera-club-january-achievement
The second paragraph after the last picture. e.g.
Or here:
http://www.lomography.com/about/jobs
Regards,
Henning
You must be in industrial control, petroleum or some such. I worked on a food plant last week, new construction, and all was 4-20mA via E/P positioners on valves and electric on dampers.
Much of the controls I work with is HVAC, big commercial or light industrial. Some BACNet, but Modbus growing for sure. Wireless is getting bigger too.
Interesting industry trends, for sure.
It hasn't been published, because the project was cancelled.
You may have a look here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/camera-club-blog/2011/dec/29/camera-club-january-achievement
The second paragraph after the last picture. e.g.
Or here:
http://www.lomography.com/about/jobs
Regards,
Henning
I am not seeing 91 million. I just looked through my Bloomberg and I count less than that from the numbers posted
Until the 6 megapixel camera came out film sales still trumped digital, and that was 2005. Then you see an almost total obliteration of film camera sales.
Last year digital camera sales were about 150 million, not including cameraphones. That's about another 15 million and rising fast. Some of that is cannibalization of P&S market share, and Kodak does not make smartphones.
To put that in perspective, more digital cameras will be sold in the next 5 years than all film cameras manufactured from their invention to the present.
The US 2011 PMA Report says pretty much nothing about film or film camera sales save for disposables. They are not longer statistically relevant. CIPA says the same.
I am not saying that Lomo is not an interesting marketing phenom and has clever, analog ideas. Quite the opposite. I just doubt their 500k units (largely cheap plastic, but functional if treated as such) sold per year and "millions" of film rolls sold makes little difference when Kodak can pump out millions of rolls in a week, and has to amortize its costs over a year. What will the employees do for the other 51 weeks? According to PE Kodak has looming over-production issues.
If motion picture film makes up 80% of FPEG's net sales, and Kodak is still #1 by a margin (it is according to Kodak's financials) then entire roll and cartridge film market is worth maybe $600 million per year between all suppliers, with demand still in steep decline (Kodak says so). Remember: at one point Kodak alone was making something like $12 billion on film sales in 1988! The whole market was something like $22 billion at its peak (non-weighted $'s no less).
So what Lomo is doing is OK, but it's a statistical blip. It's maybe 5% of total film sales currently, and 0.00x% of historic volumes. Is that enough to keep Kodak and Fuji massive coating systems going? That's up to Kodak's creditors now.
Imagine you are on vacation in a nice place with many visually engaging attributes that are worthy of pointing a camera at. You are strolling downtown with your significant other and she wants to go shop for a few hours. You decide that shopping is not for you, set a meeting time and place and look for a coffee shop to have a seat and read the paper. You contact who seems to be a local and ask where the best place is for that, not Starbucks perhaps. The enthusiastic informant quips, "Oh, just go to the DarkRoom, two blocks that way on your left"....
You show up and there it is, a hip and cool coffee shop with photo-esque motif, safelights for light fixtures, all kinds of cool photo nostaligia as decor, bean-bag chairs, photo-centric coffee table books abound...you get the idea. And next to the counter where the barista is chugging away at making you a latte with "2-Stops" of espresso, is another counter....cameras for rental and purchase. In the case are not dusty old Practicas and 120 folders, but shiny, colorful and whimsical renovations of what were garage sale paperweights. There is a stable of Blads, some with really funny stickers covering them, others with bright red and blue leatherette, all in perfect working condition having been gone over by David Odess. Then there are Leicas, Nikons, Canons and several others.....all mechanically sound and freshly adapted to be the new age of film photography, the fun part. Some of these beautifully restored cameras ar for sale too, not eBay level dirt cheap, but surely affordabe by most. You notice lots of black and white and color film behind the counter in a cool fridge that has been painted and stenciled in well known quotes by famous photographers...you are fully engaged now....
You have two hours to kill, you ask the person at the counter "So I can rent one of these, but where can I get the film developed?" The Barista replies, "The color we send out, but the black and white can be done right here in our darkroom, you can even do it your self and print it too." The gentleman rents a Leica, had always wanted to try one.
The next day, he asks his wife if he can have two hours to go print his film...he is hooked and buys the camera of his dreams.
This business is my five year plan, to not only bring back film based workshops to one of the most art and talent filled places on Earth, but to provide a place where you can sip a cup of "Grade-3" while you look at a well worn copy of "Bare Witness" by Gordon Parks or rent a leopard skinned Nikon F2 and develop the film your self. Many of those used cameras out there are like old Beach Cruisers, they can be not only restored, but made cool, hip and fun.
This is what film photography needs in order to survive, to shake the cobwebs off of it and freshen it up, to be cool again and just plain fun.
This too, can be a reality...
sorry to ask this, but what is the point ?
is it to say that lomo + holga cameras aren't going to save analog ?
isn't it kind of obvious they won't ..
is your point to say analog photography is dying ?
is it to say that kodak is down for the count ?
is it to say we should all switch to digital or hybrid or ?
i think most people reading this thread
realize that the whole industry is scaling down
sorry i fail to understand what your point is ...
You know, the site I'm working at now doesn't have a single pneumatic anything. The valve positioners are electronic. Nor for that matter is anything 4-20ma. The valves are Modbus485, as are most of the instruments. And what isn't 485 is Modbus/TCP.
The kids I'm working with wouldn't know what 3-15 psi meant if was written on the side of the box. But at least they've seen 4-20ma before.
EDIT: So after a minute of thought here is an absolutely totally unrelated subtopic about an industry where the analog has vanished and the whole site is digitally controlled. That really wasn't my point when I answered Thomas. Just an observation a few seconds after I posted it
MB
I think that APUG is a beautiful source of information and communication about the enjoyment, practice, preservation and usage of traditional photographic tools and products.
Meaning FILM.
Certainly I can only speak for myself therefore it is my humble opinion that people coming here and using every chance they have to denigrate those principles ought to just pack up and get the hell out.
Thank you.
Sorry for saying this John, but his point is that he wants to be right!
In this context though, no one is right. Truth is somewhere in the middle. For example P&S cameras or Lomos or what have you may be selling hugely (and Kodak says that P&S sales are either up or holding steady, depending on reports).
keithwms
I won't ignore him 'til he comes right out and says what he really wants to say
ambaker
Film will not make a comeback as the basis for imaging. But, like horses, I think it does have a future as a recreational and artistic medium.
I have argued repeatedly that an overall decline in sales of the FPEG group does not automatically translate in a decline in still photography film, and several folks have posted numbers that still film sales were up last year. In other words, Kodak film is already where you want them.I agree with that. To get there, someone has to turn around the sale declines, at least for roll and cartridge film.
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