Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

[markjwyatt]

HIE,
Ain't speculation grand?
But while in no way certain, it isn't idle speculation.

IR not sure about that...

 

[Sal Santamaura]

If Eastman Kodak goes under and the Building 38 production isn't retained in something close to its current incarnation, it won't matter who has the right to use the name Kodak or Tri-X - the film products will be no more.
Any replacements, no matter how labelled, will be different...

That was essentially my point.

...A more interesting question is whether Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris can continue to modernize the production and products in a way to decouple their survival from the survival of the cine film market. That requires an evolution.
Eastman Kodak and its subsidiaries used to be able to make smaller quantities of product in multiple locations and make profits. Can those smaller production runs return?

Given Eastman Kodak's financial performance of late, such an evolution (or even corporate survival) seems less and less likely every day.

Note that these replies do not represent "hopes" or "wishes." They simply attempt to point out reality. Which, as those who've read my posts in other categories know, sucks, but it's real.

 

[AgX]

We see how well Germany under the thumb of the Soviet Union performed.

Well, they had a relative greater economic miracle than the West.

 

[markjwyatt]

Well, they had a relative greater economic miracle than the West.

? The West recovered quite well after the war (The Marshall Plan helped). The East maintained some momentum and probably realized some gains in consolidation short term, but things started degrading over time. In terms of photography, some companies such as Ihagee and Carl Zeiss Jena were allowed to continue relatively unhindered for some time, but the more the government decided to "help" (over time), the more they declined.

Comparing West Germany and the UK, I remember an anecdote I heard on the radio. A German business man recounts being on a London train at rush hour (around 10 AM). A Brit said to him, you (Germany) have done so much better than us since the war (this was probably mid fifities). The German replied- our rush hour is 6 AM.

 

[AgX]

See their bad prerequisites the East recovered even better.

 

[markjwyatt]

See their bad prerequisites the East recovered even better.

After reunification?

 

[ludwighagelstein]

Does anyone know if the "chat" will be archived or transcribed? I can't have it on at the moment.

Yes, I will start cutting it together later this afternoon.

 

[ludwighagelstein]

That was essentially my point.Given Eastman Kodak's financial performance of late, such an evolution (or even corporate survival) seems less and less likely every day.

Note that these replies do not represent "hopes" or "wishes." They simply attempt to point out reality. Which, as those who've read my posts in other categories know, sucks, but it's real.

Yes but you still don´t factor in the part that film is actually profitable. Even if EKC should kick the curb, someone will buy that business and keep coating film.

 

[AgX]

After reunification?

The term "economical miracle" refers to the post-war years. Furthermore it and the effect of the Marshall Plan is meanwhile demythified concerning West-Germany, though the arguments now often go to the other extreme.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

That was essentially my point.Given Eastman Kodak's financial performance of late, such an evolution (or even corporate survival) seems less and less likely every day...

Yes but you still don´t factor in the part that film is actually profitable. Even if EKC should kick the curb, someone will buy that business and keep coating film.

Now it's your turn to reveal how you "know" this.

How profitable is it really? What would "buying that business" cost? To include Bldg. 38, the IP, equipment, raw materials and human capital that makes it run? Who is the "someone" willing to make an investment of that size for the ROI it might return? Once again, inquiring alleged mind wants to know.

 

[markjwyatt]

Does anyone know if the "chat" will be archived or transcribed? I can't have it on at the moment.

I think it is replayed here: https://silvergrainclassics.com/en/...iAR9Gx_D9F-xA4lNIu8WXm7OkUlTHS7LzocqKqO5pUOcw

 

[MattKing]

I think it is replayed here: https://silvergrainclassics.com/en/...iAR9Gx_D9F-xA4lNIu8WXm7OkUlTHS7LzocqKqO5pUOcw

Thanks

 

[ludwighagelstein]

Now it's your turn to reveal how you "know" this.

How profitable is it really? What would "buying that business" cost? To include Bldg. 38, the IP, equipment, raw materials and human capital that makes it run? Who is the "someone" willing to make an investment of that size for the ROI it might return? Once again, inquiring alleged mind wants to know.

Well, factor in motion picture. The question is not "what would buying the business cost", but rather, what it would cost to save it should this become a necessity. I honestly think we won´t see that point though. Should a scenario like this occur, however, the possibilities are manifold. Just take a look at Tetenal and the management buyout, or Harman Ilford for example. Believe it or not, there are plenty of investors who see the potential in the market and motion picture, be it film or chemistry wise plays a big role there as well.

 

[AgX]

Well, factor in motion picture.

How many movies are taken on film? The numbers for the US production so far were in the lower 2-digit range. The amount of film stock necessary for taking thus can be calculated. The use of intermediary films has shrunken with digital postproduction. Which movies are still released on film and at what number of copies? More so as the pandemic already has affected the cinema world as such. Remains the b&w stock used for archiving.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

It's time for Elon Musk to start investing in analog photography. Not sure if he is aware what this stands for, but once he is, then perhaps we have a chance of longer seeing film boxes imprinted with understandable letters.

 

[cmacd123]

Motion Picture production has been greatly limited by COVID, although some is still happening... Including many productions that end up being only seen on streaming services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu.

to see the trailers of the recent crop visit https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/shot-on-film

don't forget also to scroll to the place near the bottom where they have a separate list of Music Videos and commercials also shot on Motion Picture film.

 

[pentaxuser]

It's time for Elon Musk to start investing in analog photography. Not sure if he is aware what this stands for, but once he is, then perhaps we have a chance of longer seeing film boxes imprinted with understandable letters.

I enjoy whimsy but can't work out if this contains any or is just a straightforward wish. Primarily my puzzlement is probably due to not being able to work out Elon Musk's importance here nor the link with seeing film boxes imprinted with understandable letters

Can you clarify for me? Sorry if it was whimsy as I appreciate as one who enjoys it that if you have to explain it this does destroy the whimsy

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Deleted member 88956]

I enjoy whimsy but can't work out if this contains any or is just a straightforward wish. Primarily my puzzlement is probably due to not being able to work out Elon Musk's importance here nor the link with seeing film boxes imprinted with understandable letters

Can you clarify for me? Sorry if it was whimsy as I appreciate as one who enjoys it that if you have to explain it this does destroy the whimsy

Thanks

pentaxuser

You have answered your own question, but will say that my appreciation for Musk is growing, especially in light of Bezos' ever more bizarre behavior

 

[pentaxuser]

You have answered your own question, but will say that my appreciation for Musk is growing, especially in light of Bezos' ever more bizarre behavior

Thanks I have not really been able to work out how I answered my own question? Presumably Musk's name was invoked as the super entrepreneur who when he puts his mind to it gets things done and one of those things you want done is film boxes with understandable letters?

Which are the film boxes that do not have understandable letters and to make things worse what is Bezos' bizarre behaviour? All I could find is that he never uses an alarm clock, always washes the dishes and never calls meetings where 2 pizzas aren't enough, so was that the reference?
Thanks
pentaxuser

 

[AgX]

Motion Picture production has been greatly limited by COVID, although some is still happening... Including many productions that end up being only seen on streaming services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu.

to see the trailers of the recent crop visit https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/shot-on-film

don't forget also to scroll to the place near the bottom where they have a separate list of Music Videos and commercials also shot on Motion Picture film.

But nonetheless, the serious cine-film market always was that of print-films, the films that went to the cinemas. And that market has long gone.

 

[cmacd123]

But nonetheless, the serious cine-film market always was that of print-films, the films that went to the cinemas. .

at least by volume. probably ten times the final length shot at Camera negative stage. easily 100 to 300 prints struck to circulate in theaters. each the full lenth but on print film. back in the day the Camera film was 10 cents a foot, and the print film was about 3 cents a foot. 120 Minutes takes 10,800 ft not counting leaders and trailers. or the waste because the action does not often break up nicely into 2000ft rolls. (you really want the reel break to come at a scene change as the light from the next projector will not match perfectly)

 

[MattKing]

I was a little concerned that it might be a reference to characters in a Chinese language .

 

[MattKing]

If little old me nobody wanted to make D-23, can I actually buy Elon from “Kodak” (?) rather than say going to Artcraft or Formulary for Metol? (not that it makes much of a difference, just curious)

AFAIK, Kodak branded individual chemical components haven't been sold for a few years now.
There might be something available through the channels that supply the motion picture labs that Eastman Kodak is supporting, but those would be in large lab quantities .

 

[MattKing]

That may very well be current.

 

[cmacd123]

well, the Jan 2020 Motion Picture catalog did list
KODAK ELON Developing Agent / 55 lb drum
CAT 8218240
for ony US$1,779.63

I guess that would make a swimming pool full of D76.
the price is probably up a bit since then.