Well, some businesses do not have a price, western or eastern.
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Mick.
You may be proving my point. Who has more ability to invest in 'film manufacturing entities", China or the EU?
If China wanted EU entities they could just buy them....all Western businesses are capitalist, they all have a price.
Few corporations have factories that are located near their ownership., who are typically stock holders (who are international)
If YOU wanted to manufacture film, chemistry, cameras etc...in honesty would you manufacture anywhere other than Asia somewhere?
You may be proving my point. Who has more ability to invest in 'film manufacturing entities", China or the EU?
If China wanted EU entities they could just buy them....all Western businesses are capitalist, they all have a price.
The EU. Therefore most film manufacturers are located in the EU.
A very US-centric point of view........fortunately both the attitude and economic systems in lots of western countries are quite different to the US in relevant parameters. I only have to look at Japan or the German "Mittelstand" and German "Familienunternehmen". They don't care so much for short term profits, but much more for their heritage and long-term sustainable business.
Best regards,
Henning
Amusing. Obviously, the capitalist world is almost totally "US-centric). The very existence of modern Germany and Japan is due to the US.
Any company with a significant exposure to any of the stock/bond markets is driven by shareholders and creditors who are mostly institutional .....
We could probably do with a greater appreciation of this approach here in the UK.
Definitely, Tom.
But unfortunately it will not happen, because the current government in the UK is driven by an economic mindset which is going in the opposite direction. It is the same mindset which led to the de-industrialization process in the UK (loosing more than half of the national workforce in industrial production) during the Thatcher era.
I well remember the discussion of that topic with Simon Galley and his colleagues at our factory visit at Ilford Photo. We all agreed that fundamental mistakes were made concerning national/UK industrial policy at that time.
For an economist like me with huge interest in economic history all this is a fascinating topic. I could write a long article about it. But of course it would go much too far, and would be out of topic here in this thread. So let's stay with the original topic.
Best regards,
Henning
My understanding is that the government only supports (and owns) the larger enterprises like banks and major industrial organizations. A small film maker and other smaller enterprises are left to private capital. Certainly they could steal and make the product. But with Trump causing them major problems with tariffs and screaming about their theft of intellectual secrets, the stealing company might lose the American market to sell too and probably other markets as well once the US government puts the pressure on. So they have to do it like others. The have to buy it. Also, by buying it they get the equipment in the deal as well, and maybe all kinds of distribution channels to sell other stuff they make or will make in the future.History and economics can be fascinating topics, however the German and Japanese exchanges mentioned by Henning are quaint, feudal leftovers that revived slightly in recent years.
That there may be no film manufacturers in China (a mere assertion) is irrelevant because if the Chinese wanted to manufacture film, rather than buy it cheaply (current prices) from US or EU, they'd reverse engineer and make their own if they didn't choose to buy US or EU companies outright. The Chinese have unlimited purse, unlike US and EU...
History and economics can be fascinating topics, however the German and Japanese exchanges mentioned by Henning are quaint, feudal leftovers that revived slightly in recent years.
That there may be no film manufacturers in China (a mere assertion) is irrelevant because if the Chinese wanted to manufacture film, rather than buy it cheaply (current prices) from US or EU, they'd reverse engineer and make their own if they didn't choose to buy US or EU companies outright. The Chinese have unlimited purse, unlike US and EU...
The US economic "system" is a joke compared to Germany. I am not an expert in history, but I remember the "economic miracle" in West Germany. Konrad Adenauer who served many years as chancellor (?) The recovery from the devastation of the war, really was nothing short of a miracle. I've had the pleasure of visiting Germany on business. There is fair distribution of government services, much better education system. The US corporate mentality is cutthroat, adversarial with the labor force, unions, etc. I visited BASF, Bayer, other companies.With all respect, but that is completely wrong and has absolutely nothing to do with reality! You really don't know anything about Germany.
Germany belongs to the least "feudal" countries in the world. And the German economic system (Soziale Marktwirtschaft, Ordoliberalismus, Sozialpartnerschaft) is the most "anti-feudal" modern economic system you could imagine. It was established after the Second World War, designed by very open-minded, non-ideological economic scientists as a reaction to the Great Depression and the horror of the Nazi regime.
Wrong.
1. There are two Chinese film manufacturers.
2. No possibility for Chinese to buy a foreign film manufacturer because there is no film manufacturer for sale. Period.
3. You cannot simply "reverse engineer" film production. It is much too complicated for that.
4. Even the Chinese don't have umlimited funds. They have significant debt problems in their economy, which are covered by the government.
Back to topic: We don't have any official statement for this deal yet. Best to avoid speculation and wait for the real, final information.
Best regards,
Henning
When I was watching the two videos about Sino Promise, I noticed they mentioned that they had purchased a German made slitter for the paper finishing operation. The processing machines for making RA-4 prints are Noritsu (Japan). It will be interesting to see how they start the actual coating of color negative paper. From what I gather they finish master rolls???
The Asian markets are a huge business for Fujifilm color paper, this operation by Sino Promise is located where the customers are.
Maybe with a bit of persuasion, we could get Sino Promise, to provide cut sheets of Kodak's professional papers? Probably not.
I guess Sino Promise can now manufacture paper and chemicals with the Kodak brand name, but how much is that worth?
maybe they will start marketing flashlights, visors, and cordless shavers like bell and Howell “ a well know name of over 100’years they we can trust “.
Not a miracle at all, but a kind of bribing to make West-Germany part of the US-controlled world, fixing the splitting of Europe and of Germany.The US economic "system" is a joke compared to Germany. I am not an expert in history, but I remember the "economic miracle" in West Germany. Konrad Adenauer who served many years as chancellor (?) The recovery from the devastation of the war, really was nothing short of a miracle.
I use Fuji Crystal Archive paper with excellent results. I do understand that it's not much of a market. I can use rolls, I have a local shop who will sell me single rolls. Just a pain.By far the biggest market for RA-4 CN paper are professional labs. They all use rolls for their machines, not sheets. Demand for sheet film is tiny compard to that, less than 1%.
And you need different machinery for finishing sheet film.
You could ask e.g. ADOX to finish Kodak paper rolls to sheet film. They are already doing it with Fujifilm CN paper. The question is of course, whether there will be enough demand for this additional service so that all the effort will be profitable for ADOX. The users are very satiesfied with the Fujifilm paper.
Best regards,
Henning
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