Kodak Alaris and Lomography Partner Up, Vow to Keep Film Photography Alive

[Ian Grant]

A UK/EU distributor of specialist orders would be a good start - avoid import duty...

You might find more products made in the UK as well.

It's worth remembering that Eastman Kodak made a huge mistake when they sub-contracted distribution of all Kodak photographic products in the UK to Sangers who soon went bankrupt. Distribution was then taken over by a company formed by ex Kodak employees who knew the business inside out.

In other countries Kodak closed their own efficient distribution centres only to sub-contract with similar poor results.

Ian

 

[Arctic amateur]

Last evening I read in a BJP posting that the Lomochrome Purple film was actually a new production run of Kodak Aerochrome,

Just to clarify: Lomochrome Purple is not Aerochrome. It is not an infrared-sensitive film, nor is it a slide film. It is an unusual C-41 colour negative film where some colour dyes have been swapped or something like that, so that green renders as pink or purple on the final print. Its spectral sensitivity is about the same as for regular C-41 colour films.

 

[BennehBoy]

You might find more products made in the UK as well.

It's worth remembering that Eastman Kodak made a huge mistake when they sub-contracted distribution of all Kodak photographic products in the UK to Sangers who soon went bankrupt. Distribution was then taken over by a company formed by ex Kodak employees who knew the business inside out.

In other countries Kodak closed their own efficient distribution centres only to sub-contract with similar poor results.

Ian

Fingers crossed.

I've been shooting Fuji CN simply because it's more readily available and a _lot_ cheaper. But I far prefer how easily portra scans.

 

[StoneNYC]

Just to clarify: Lomochrome Purple is not Aerochrome. It is not an infrared-sensitive film, nor is it a slide film. It is an unusual C-41 colour negative film where some colour dyes have been swapped or something like that, so that green renders as pink or purple on the final print. Its spectral sensitivity is about the same as for regular C-41 colour films.

I'm so glad you said that, it bothered me that somebody else suggested otherwise, but I couldn't remember exactly where I read about where it came from, I knew that it was C-41 but I can't remember who we discovered the company was, I believe it's FOMA of course the company would never admit this because they want to make it look special, but I'm pretty sure that they is produced by either Rollei or FOMA...

 

[AgX]

Just to clarify: Lomochrome Purple is not Aerochrome. It is not an infrared-sensitive film, nor is it a slide film. It is an unusual C-41 colour negative film where some colour dyes have been swapped or something like that, so that green renders as pink or purple on the final print. Its spectral sensitivity is about the same as for regular C-41 colour films.

Nevertheless Lomography at the moment actually offers it as "Colournegative Infraredfilm"

(At least in their German Version of their shop. Lomography do not let me access another language version.)

 

[StoneNYC]

Nevertheless Lomography at the moment actually offers it as "Colournegative Infraredfilm"

(At least in their German Version of their shop. Lomography do not let me access another language version.)

Oh that's strange, on the American version it specifically says that it's a color negative film and that they've duplicated the look of color infrared but they've done this by changing the response to the different dye couplers so that for example green turns out to look purple, but it's only a trick of the chemistry, not that it's actually picking up infrared light.

 

[miha]

I'm so glad you said that, it bothered me that somebody else suggested otherwise, but I couldn't remember exactly where I read about where it came from, I knew that it was C-41 but I can't remember who we discovered the company was, I believe it's FOMA of course the company would never admit this because they want to make it look special, but I'm pretty sure that they is produced by either Rollei or FOMA...

I doubt Foma can do colour.

 

[StoneNYC]

I doubt Foma can do colour.

Ahh, You're right! it probably is Rollei then! it's definitely not Kodak either way.

 

[miha]

But Rollei has no coating facility.

 

[StoneNYC]

But Rollei has no coating facility.

Then who is left the next he makes collar film? I forget now because I know that a couple of those companies like Adox/AGFAfoto/Rollei subcontract out and they're all made it one place, and then all three companies sell the products under their own names, or something like that, so I'm sorry if I'm mistaken it gets really complicated over there. Hah!

 

[miha]

Agfa-Gevaert Belgium and InovisCoat Germany coat colour photo materials in Europe. Harman is able to coat colour too.

 

[StoneNYC]

Agfa-Gevaert Belgium and InovisCoat Germany coat colour photo materials in Europe. Harman is able to coat colour too.

Ok then it's Agfa film, ilford is able, but not willing

Which is a smart move on ilfords part, when all the other film companies close, then they will do color

 

[Ian Grant]

I doubt Foma can do colour.

They used to make colour films and have a colour paper confectioning plant that's a joint venture with Fuji.

Ian

 

[miha]

Ok then it's Agfa film, ilford is able, but not willing

Which is a smart move on ilfords part, when all the other film companies close, then they will do color

Why would other companies close? The more the merrier.

 

[miha]

They used to make colour films and have a colour paper confectioning plant that's a joint venture with Fuji.

Ian

Do you know whay they quit the colour business?

 

[AgX]

The eastern internatinal economic system controlled who was making what. Furthermore the manufacture of high-end colour materials require quite some resources. This was one of the reasons for the mergers in the West-European industry in the 60s.

 

[Ian Grant]

Do you know whay they quit the colour business?

Probably for the same reason as Orwo and other Eastern block companies, with the break up of the Soviet block and the advent of free trade with the West they couldn't compete with the quality of Agfa, Kodak and Fuji E6 & C41colour dfilms. All the Eastern block films were based on outdated Agfa technolgy from the late 30's and early 1940's.

Ian

 

[miha]

So it's safe to say that at present their facilities are not up to todays requirements for colour?

 

[Ian Grant]

So it's safe to say that at present their facilities are not up to todays requirements for colour?

That would be conjecture. They may well still be able to make & coat colour films or papers but not have done the research to make modern competitive.

Once you drop behind it's almost impossible to catch up, this was Ilford's problem because the UK government stopped their research into colour emulsions/processes during WWII.

Ian

 

[AgX]

Probably for the same reason as Orwo and other Eastern block companies, with the break up of the Soviet block and the advent of free trade with the West they couldn't compete with the quality of Agfa, Kodak and Fuji E6 & C41colour dfilms. All the Eastern block films were based on outdated Agfa technolgy from the late 30's and early 1940's.

Ian

Foma stopped manufacturing colour films many, many years before the eastern economic system collapsed.

 

[miha]

The eastern internatinal economic system controlled who was making what. Furthermore the manufacture of high-end colour materials require quite some resources. This was one of the reasons for the mergers in the West-European industry in the 60s.

I know Agfa took over Perutz in the 60s. Were there other colour makes in Germany?

 

[AgX]

Yes, Adox and Tura. Next to others with non subtractive processes.

 

[miha]

Yes, Adox and Tura. Next to others with non subtractive processes.

Yes of course Adox... I didn't know about Tura making films.

 

[AgX]

Tura manufactured colour papers.

 

[Arctic amateur]

Oh that's strange, on the American version it specifically says that it's a color negative film and that they've duplicated the look of color infrared but they've done this by changing the response to the different dye couplers so that for example green turns out to look purple, but it's only a trick of the chemistry, not that it's actually picking up infrared light.

Here they're open about it:

http://www.lomography.com/about/faq/4722-lomochrome-purple-101

But I think this is the original announcement, and the wording is weasely and tries to suggest that this is a film like Aerochrome without quite saying so.

http://www.lomography.com/magazine/news/2013/01/30/introducing-lomochrome-purple