Kodak Alaris and Lomography Partner Up, Vow to Keep Film Photography Alive

[AgX]

Here they're open about it

As I said they state different in their german version. Whether there is a mistake behind it or a kind of beating around the bush that went astray, I don't like that.

 

[dehk]

Full range of film means you need traditional grain 100-ish speed back, bring back plus x on special runs for fun!

 

[StoneNYC]

Full range of film means you need traditional grain 100-ish speed back, bring back plus x on special runs for fun!

I was never too impressed by plus X, though I've only shot about to Propac's worth of 120, I was told that Eastman Double-X movie stock film is similar to plus X, however I don't think it looks the same, but I very much love – and I am about to special order some, sadly it only comes in 35mm.

I also like double X because it is a 200-250 ASA film so it's a little more versatile in different lighting situations.

 

[MattKing]

I was never too impressed by plus X, though I've only shot about to Propac's worth of 120, I was told that Eastman Double-X movie stock film is similar to plus X, however I don't think it looks the same, but I very much love – and I am about to special order some, sadly it only comes in 35mm.

I also like double X because it is a 200-250 ASA film so it's a little more versatile in different lighting situations.

I've always liked Plus-X, and I think it works well for me.

I'll be interested to see if Stone agrees

 

[StoneNYC]

I've always liked Plus-X, and I think it works well for me.

I'll be interested to see if Stone agrees

Well as it's been pointed out to me many times recently, you can FIX anything in the printing process...

Of all the shots that I ever took on plus X, there was only one roll that I was really happy with, and it happened to be at the end of the day with the light from the side of the sky really illuminated and gave good highlights.

This is it, they weren't supposed to be more than vacation shots so my apologies if they aren't completely artistic...




PS I completely understand your hint Matt, so I look forward to whatever it is, however knowing that it's a postcard I guess it's probably not going to be in the "style" that I am known for ...

 

[erikg]

I would have thought that the closest thing to Plus-x in the MP range would have been MP Plus-X, not Double-x, but I know they are all a bit different, and it depends on what qualities you are comparing. I shot about 800 feet of Double-X back when you could still find short ends. It's nice, to me it seemed closest to the older tri-x, like the the tri-x I shot in the early 80's. They have improved away a little of it's character since then. Anyway I would love to see them do something that would be very easy to do: 35mm 36exp. Factory loads of MP stock. It would be great to see some of those other emulsions out there, easy to get and use.

 

[StoneNYC]

I would have thought that the closest thing to Plus-x in the MP range would have been MP Plus-X, not Double-x, but I know they are all a bit different, and it depends on what qualities you are comparing. I shot about 800 feet of Double-X back when you could still find short ends. It's nice, to me it seemed closest to the older tri-x, like the the tri-x I shot in the early 80's. They have improved away a little of it's character since then. Anyway I would love to see them do something that would be very easy to do: 35mm 36exp. Factory loads of MP stock. It would be great to see some of those other emulsions out there, easy to get and use.

Well they still make it in 400' cans, and rakpak? Sells re-rolled spools of it here, just search.

 

[removed account4]

i have always liked plus x, and have been lucky to buy a suitcase full of plus x
when it became available ( and i am still nibbling my way through it ) it has a nice feel to it
not as slow and grainless as pan x and not as nosograinless as tr ix ... and it likes coffee and looks beautiful when processed in sprint developer.

Well they still make it in 400' cans, and rakpak? Sells re-rolled spools of it here, just search.

hi stone

have never bought any of
the MP films to shoot in my 35 because dealing with 400 feet of film can be
well, to put it mildly .. a pain ...

 

[Richard S. (rich815)]

I would have thought that the closest thing to Plus-x in the MP range would have been MP Plus-X, not Double-x, but I know they are all a bit different, and it depends on what qualities you are comparing. I shot about 800 feet of Double-X back when you could still find short ends. It's nice, to me it seemed closest to the older tri-x, like the the tri-x I shot in the early 80's.

I would agree. I have about 300' of Double X left from a 400' spool and find it much more as you describe than like Plus-X.

 

[StoneNYC]

I would agree. I have about 300' of Double X left from a 400' spool and find it much more as you describe than like Plus-X.

I think about 300' would fit in the Alden200 bulk loader? I'll find out soon

 

[StoneNYC]

i have always liked plus x, and have been lucky to buy a suitcase full of plus x
when it became available ( and i am still nibbling my way through it ) it has a nice feel to it
not as slow and grainless as pan x and not as nosograinless as tr ix ... and it likes coffee and looks beautiful when processed in sprint developer.



hi stone

have never bought any of
the MP films to shoot in my 35 because dealing with 400 feet of film can be
well, to put it mildly .. a pain ...

WELL maybe you should try some...

The guy I mentioned says he's asked a few of his normal special order people, and had some positive responses so actually they are seriously looking into ordering a large special order of double X in 4x5.

I'm going to make a special forum thread for it but I figured since were talking about it anyway...

He doesn't have any figures yet, but said anyone interested, go here.... Fill out the form (simple form) and make sure you list ROUGHLY how many boxes you would want (I'm assuming they come in 50 sheet boxes like other kodak 4x5.

http://canhamcameras.com/kodakform.html

Anyone who is interested for real, fill it out, only if enough people fill it out, will he have Kodak do the actual math to find out how much it would cost, which takes them a little while because they're dealing with two different companies, the sheet film product sales company, that cuts down the film, and the movie stock company that makes the movie stock.

Thanks guy!

 

[StoneNYC]

Here's the official thread

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[erikg]

Well they still make it in 400' cans, and rakpak? Sells re-rolled spools of it here, just search.

Oh I know. I'm thinking bigger than that. More emulsions, not just double-x packaged and sold to people who don't want 400ft. or don't want to go through some reseller.

 

[Dinesh]

I shot about 800 feet of Double-X back when you could still find short ends. It's nice, to me it seemed closest to the older tri-x, like the the tri-x I shot in the early 80's.

I as well thought it was much closer to "older" Tri-X than Plus-X but who am I to argue with Stone?

It was nice when Film Emporium would sell it from between .14 to .18 per foot for the "short ends".

 

[erikg]

I as well thought it was much closer to "older" Tri-X than Plus-X but who am I to argue with Stone?

It was nice when Film Emporium would sell it from between .14 to .18 per foot for the "short ends".

Yup. That's where I got it from too. It's harder to find good film cheap these days.

 

[StoneNYC]

Yes it comes in 400 foot and 1000 foot lengths.

Just so you know I'm nobody and I'm often wrong haha per the "who am I to argue with Stone" comment. Lol

I used to get my re-rolled double-x from ... Rakpak? Gah! I can never remember his name! Lol he's on here, and the prices are actually fairly reasonable.

Edit: his name here is NickRapak

 

[frobozz]

Yes it comes in 400 foot and 1000 foot lengths.

Every time I checked, the price per foot was identical on the 400 and 1000 ft rolls. So there seemed to be no particular reason to get the 1000 ft roll; why compound the problem of cutting it into smaller rolls?! I have a split reel that will handle 1000 ft, but it just didn't seem worth the bother. But maybe that's just me. (Obviously for someone shooting an actual movie, the 1000 ft roll might be necessary.)

Duncan

 

[StoneNYC]

Every time I checked, the price per foot was identical on the 400 and 1000 ft rolls. So there seemed to be no particular reason to get the 1000 ft roll; why compound the problem of cutting it into smaller rolls?! I have a split reel that will handle 1000 ft, but it just didn't seem worth the bother. But maybe that's just me. (Obviously for someone shooting an actual movie, the 1000 ft roll might be necessary.)

Duncan

Well definitely they go through probably I would say easily 30-60 1000 feet rolls in a single day on some projects.

If the price is the same, I would buy the 1000' roll and split it up and sell off the stuff I didn't need, you could end up with free film!

 

[frobozz]

If the price is the same, I would buy the 1000' roll and split it up and sell off the stuff I didn't need, you could end up with free film!

Regardless of what you do with it, I'm just saying I'd personally prefer to get 3 400 foot rolls, for instance, instead of a single 1000 foot roll, to make handling it easier. Unless for some reason you needed or could only afford precisely 1000 feet.

Duncan

 

[Dinesh]

Well definitely they go through probably I would say easily 30-60 1000 feet rolls in a single day on some projects.

Where are you sourcing this data from?

 

[StoneNYC]

Regardless of what you do with it, I'm just saying I'd personally prefer to get 3 400 foot rolls, for instance, instead of a single 1000 foot roll, to make handling it easier. Unless for some reason you needed or could only afford precisely 1000 feet.

Duncan

Since it's movie film, their main source of income our movie productions that purchase lots and lots of rolls, The only reason they even need the short rolls (400') is for using on handheld cameras because the thousand foot rolls are heavier (not just the role but the whole entire case that the film has to be put into) and so it's more difficult for the camera operator to handhold so much weight so they have smaller roles for that purpose as well as if there's a space issue and they need the camera to be smaller to fit.

 

[StoneNYC]

Where are you sourcing this data from?

Observation, I work on movie sets

 

[semi-ambivalent]

Where are you sourcing this data from?

FWIW, the gun cameras on my Volkswagen don't use anywhere near that much. But I travel back roads.

s-a

 

[StoneNYC]

FWIW, the gun cameras on my Volkswagen don't use anywhere near that much. But I travel back roads.

s-a

Alright will now you have to prove that by backing it up with vehicle pictures, cause that just sounds too awesome to not be able to see!

 

[removed account4]

Well definitely they go through probably I would say easily 30-60 1000 feet rolls in a single day on some projects.

If the price is the same, I would buy the 1000' roll and split it up and sell off the stuff I didn't need, you could end up with free film!

but stone, you are talking about repurposing this movie film for still film cameras ..
its kind of a no brainer the movie industry uses/used 1000' and 400 foot rolls.
100 feet is like ummm 3 minutes of images if you run it ...
its obvious that a movie camera uses more film than a 35mm film cassette ... but it is a PITA to deal with 1000 feet of film in the dark pulling it off a spool
to wind it in a 35mm still camera film cassette. i used to buy large spools of plus x and pan x aero film and cut it down to 8x10 &c
and cutting off of a large spool was a pain .. but certainly the industry the film was meant for, used 1000' of film all the time

there is a thread here this past week with umut who has bought a 8mm camera and he is getting 400 or 500 or 1000 feet of film that he needs to respool onto his
25 foot spools which will be equally a pain in the neck ...

getting bulk is a great deal but the hassle isn't for everyone ...
and thanks for prodding me to buy some of the 5222, can't afford 4x5 film at 2$ / sheet, wish i could but its not in the stars at the moment ...
unless of course you want to buy me 4 boxes for a gift lol