By default, a 135/36 film is about 1.7 meters long, so we would roll 72 rolls of 36 frames each. If we use a leader, we can subtract about 41 frames for the same length, or 2950 frames. Of course, this is theoretical, in practice there are some discrepancies. The leader should be well calculated according to the camera used - for example, my two Nikon F3 cameras have two initial frames at a fixed speed until the counter stops at the 0 position.
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By default, a 135/36 film is about 1.7 meters long, so we would roll 72 rolls of 36 frames each. If we use a leader, we can subtract about 41 frames for the same length, or 2950 frames. Of course, this is theoretical, in practice there are some discrepancies. The leader should be well calculated according to the camera used - for example, my two Nikon F3 cameras have two initial frames at a fixed speed until the counter stops at the 0 position.
if you do it in the darkroom, you can get 80 rolls out if it, rolling each roll to 5 ft (or 150cm) in length. This is about 3 inches (7.5 cm) shorter than a pre-packed roll, but if you load your camera efficiently, you can still get 38-39 frames on the roll.
And no, you don’t need to attach any leader, just trim the end of the roll like you see on pre-packed rolls.
That's $9 per roll of 36 shots at $649 for a 400 foot roll at B&H. Of course, you have to attach leaders, purchase spools and enclosures, and figure what your labor is worth.
The cost if bought separately is $22 a roll if purchased in single quantities. B&H doesn't have in boxes of five which would be cheaper. I guess because they're in such demand.
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That's $9 per roll of 36 shots at $649 for a 400 foot roll at B&H. Of course, you have to attach leaders, purchase spools and enclosures, and figure what your labor is worth.
The cost if bought separately is $22 a roll if purchased in single quantities. B&H doesn't have in boxes of five which would be cheaper. I guess because they're in such demand.
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You don’t need to attach any leaders, the leader is built into the length of the roll. And go to a local lab, they will most likely hand out used cassettes for free, no need to buy them.
I sold 36 exposures roll for $12/roll, and that worked out well.
What do you mean the leader is built into the length of the roll, so you don't need to attach the leader?
Also, aren't leaders on 36 shot 35mm film cut so they can be inserted in the take-up spool more easily? Will auto electric feeding 35mm cameras require leaders cut a certain way?
There are no splices in any rolls of 35mm film, it’s all one strip. no opaque leader is attached to the front. The only exeptions to this may be for extremely rare film that you don’t want to waste, or film prone to light piping. But these are not common situations, and I don’t know anyone who actually attaches bits of opaque leader to 35mm films even in those situations.
The little cutout at the end of the film is nothing special, I’ve seen people just cut the film 45° and it will work just fine.
I have attached the relevant ISO standard so that you can see what I am referring to.
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Do what NASA did with 70mm, delete the metal cassette and load raw film into the camera in a darkroom. What could possibly go wrong 
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If you want to maximize your savings you need to make sure you don't use most of the bulk roll. This is what I did back in the day
?If you want to maximize your savings you need to make sure you don't use most of the bulk roll. This is what I did back in the day
I load all my cassettes in the darkroom, as I have found it to be much more consistent, if not convenient. No having to worry about the last two frames being fogged, or worrying about scratching the film in the loader.
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Unless you use old Leica rangefinders.
I just cut a 45 degree cut, with the legs of the triangle being about 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch.
The little scraps of B&W film can then be used for clip tests when the film is developed.
But if you are going to mount the slides in slide mounts you won't see the edge printing anyway.
One of the interviews form the Lad in Alberta who runs "Flic FIlm" said he basically bought some form Kodak and they had no trouble selling him all he wanted. and he is a supplier of loaded still Cassettes of all the other Kodak 35mm Movie films. As usual they don't allow him to put the name or Brand on the cassettes. so he sells his version of "Chrome 100" with a picture of the hood of a DeSoto. (a car known in it's day for sporting a lot of Chrome)
Now one streeming TV show did an entire season shooting on 35mm 5294 - cross processed in ECN2 to get a gaudy effect. that would use more film than all the the people who participate on this site will EVER use. (90ft per minute with proably at least a 2X shooting ratio, if not shooting 6 times as much as is used will chew up a lot of film.)
The movie film seems to have different kind of filter and antihalation dyes than the still version does. It will produce a dard green color similar to Velvia 50 in prewet water if used. Also, the first dev and reversal bath will both turn to bright pink. This has on effect on chemistry though. I haven't done any comparison with same pictures taken with both films, but I have an impression that the motion picture version is slightly warmer in daylight than the still film stock is.
You didn't get my point. I do know what Alaris does in general.The fact is that motion picture film suppliers in Europe refuse to sell rolls of Ektachrome 5294 unless you can provide them with details of a movie production, and seem to be tequired by Kodak to deliver the film directly to production. This means no sales for even to a movie studio except for a film project in making. I think this is due to a deal with Alaris to prevent private companies starting to spool motion picture Ektachrome and selling it for the half price now, when E6 film is very hard to buy in Europe through the official channels. That said, somebody always manages to get some film somewhere.
You didn't get my point. I do know what Alaris does in general.The fact is that motion picture film suppliers in Europe refuse to sell rolls of Ektachrome 5294 unless you can provide them with details of a movie production, and seem to be tequired by Kodak to deliver the film directly to production. This means no sales for even to a movie studio except for a film project in making. I think this is due to a deal with Alaris to prevent private companies starting to spool motion picture Ektachrome and selling it for the half price now, when E6 film is very hard to buy in Europe through the official channels. That said, somebody always manages to get some film somewhere.
Me after smuggling in 400' rolls Ektachrome into Europe yesterday
Literally, all I will be doing is re-spooling.
I just recently contacted Kodak and they sold me single units of the 5294 and 7294 - no questions asked. They sent me an offer (the prices are officially announced for Europe, but without VAT), free delivery in Europe. Everything went very quickly and smoothly.
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That sounds more like suppliers who don't want to supply to small volume users. AFAIK Eastman Kodak is happy to supply motion picture film to anyone.
There could, of course, be local restrictions imposed by government authorities in Lithuania that complicate access.
Not according to my Eastman Kodak source. The still and cine versions of the film should be essentially the same, if processed in the correct E6 chemistry.
This may be Eastman having to deal with widely variable demand. on of BFC videos on Flic Film Chrome 100D metioned that he (Dave) had trouble at first getting Ektachrome 5294 100D from Kodak, and then he COULD get some. he was then able to place a larger order..
one item was the producers of the HBO series https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/blog-post/euphoria/ decided to use 5294 to shoot on Cross processed Ektachrome. And I undertsand that that is "Trendy" at the moment.I suspect that that order may have been for more 5294 than Kodak was expecting to sell. So they may have been rationing stock.
I do notice that Atlanta Film company has been selling respooled 5294 as Euphoric 100, no doubt inspired by tha show.
and I agree with Matt, Kodak has fairly new machines to perforate and spool motion picture camera stock (BH Perfs and KeyKode bar codes) . which is normally only sold in 400 and 1000 ft lengths. Lab and print stock is also run with KS Perfs in 1000, 2000, and 6000 ft lengths. Bulk still film is done of differnt machines as it has the still frame numbers and those older machines are proably much less productive. It is not clear from the "Smarter every day" video if the cassette finishing machines also perf the film, but that 1000 ft or more rolls that those machines need could be perforated on the New style KS perforator wuth the edge print turned off - as the cassette machine also prints the Still film information of the film as the cassette is loaded.
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I think it is more a case of the production lines being continuous - the output of one machine feeds directly into the next, with limited ability to intervene manually.
Eastman Kodak actually uses a much older, much less efficient highly manual film slitter to feed the perforator that in turn feeds the ancient spooler that is used for the 100 foot loads
You can forget about Georgia. I'm Georgian and if direct purchase from Kodak was available here, our one and only film shop would not be buying their stock from UK.
And I wouldn't be buying my film from China
BTW, FWIW, I got my first roll of Flic Chrome 100 back from the lab, and the EASTMAN edge printing indicates that it was made (or at least Finished) in 2023.
Kodak really only has 2 digits to play with the second didgit of Camaera film is always 2 and the first digit indicates the base and the width.
the curent version of Eltachrome 100D reuses the number 5294 that was proviously assigned many years ago to EASTMAN high speed color negative. 5293 and 5294 were Both amazingly Speedy at the time, and made posible some new shooting thechniques ike seen on shows like "Hill Street Blues"
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Not. It is essentially the same film with different edge printing and, possibly, different but still compatible perforations.
This is how legislation works in the EU. When you make a purchase of goods from one country in the EU to another, it is correct that the VAT goes to the country of the buyer. Thus, 0% VAT is charged, but according to an article that taxes you in its country.
The order was made directly through Kodak - communication and payment was from UK, invoice (and tax number) and delivery from Germany. I know there is a distributor in Romania, but their website is (practically) dead, and the contacts - probably changed long ago. I had made an attempt to inquire about shipping 65mm film but was unsuccessful...
I do not belive that 5294 cames in 65mm. so they would have to charge you for an entire master roll, or perhaps 2.
the Kodak Cataloge I have (which is likly out of DATE) shows 5294 in 35mm as 35mmX 400 FT as CAT 7493331 and 35mm by 1000ft as CAT 7493349 Both orderable as Single rolls.
IN 16mm, (7294) they have 100 and 400ft rolls single perforsted, AND even a 400ft roll perforated BOTH EDGES (2R2994) which only a few films are made in. the two edges version does require a order of 20 rolls. Single perf is available as one roll. and it also is listed as Super 8 which again can be ordered as a single roll.
the Kodak Cataloge I have (which is likly out of DATE) shows 5294 in 35mm as 35mmX 400 FT as CAT 7493331 and 35mm by 1000ft as CAT 7493349 Both orderable as Single rolls.
IN 16mm, (7294) they have 100 and 400ft rolls single perforsted, AND even a 400ft roll perforated BOTH EDGES (2R2994) which only a few films are made in. the two edges version does require a order of 20 rolls. Single perf is available as one roll. and it also is listed as Super 8 which again can be ordered as a single roll.
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