Well, what about "New Kodachrome?" An E-6 film that looks as close as physically possible to Kodachrome?
It sounds much more feasible to me. Kodak proper, if anyone, may even decide that it is in their interests to make such a thing some day.
Or is it really just the name that people want?
Kodachrome at China ? When I wanted to buy a trumpet for 80 dollars , They wanted 125 dollars postage. I said send it with state post office , they said its expensive to package the trumpet with goverment rules.
Kodachrome at China ? When I wanted to buy a trumpet for 80 dollars , They wanted 125 dollars postage. I said send it with state post office , they said its expensive to package the trumpet with goverment rules.
Kodachrome business was crazy , I am living in Istanbul , 6 weeks wait to fresh film comes , 6 weeks to go to dwayne and 7 weeks to reach me. 19 weeks , makes 5 months. I could take trillions of digital pictures compared with it. No guarantee to reach me to correct film also. This is not counted as business at computer , internet age.
If someone wants to make kodachrome , let it be for c41 or dufaycolor , autochrome thing.
Come on PE, I didn't expect this kind of discussion from you. Comparing H0 model locomotives with real working steam locomotives is simply ridicolous. It's like I'm comparing Caffenol with Kodachrome.
I use alibaba.com and they always want extreme postage. This was different before financial meltdown but prices and postage fees unreliable now.
But 1 meterscube cargo comes with ship from shangai to istanbul for 15 dollars. When I remind it , they cut the conversation.
It was a joke. Just as much so though as you saying that making Kodachrome is as easy as building a Locomotive.
When someone does not understand a problem in constructing or making anything they are apt to oversimplify things. I have intimate knowledge of Locomotives from small to large scale but would not try to make one. That is why I have tried to challenge you to think of the difficulties involved in making a single layer B&W coating. Then I would like you to multiply that by about 100 or even 1000.
You are undersimplifying the situation re. Kodachrome.
PE
Antonov;
I am saying that building Kodachrome is 100 - 1000 times more complex than building a locomotive.
Here is another analogy. Lets assume building a locomotive = building a film. Ok, building a film requires precise elemental analysis of all metals going into the product, but locomotives do not.
Making a film requires that all individual items come together on a given schedule, but making a locomotive does not. After all, locomotive parts do not spoil on the shelf if kept beyond the scheduled use date in the locomotive, do they?
If I make the support today, bombard it tomorrow and am scheduled to coat on the 3rd day, if I fail, the support is probably scrap!If I am scheduled to attach the drivers to the locomotive, it can be done any day of the week or month!
You see? You appear to be underestimating the complexity.
PE
But maybe, PE, you are underestimating the difficulty of designing and building a locomotive.
How many have you done so far?
Why don't we all just accept that sadly Kodachrome has gone, and that the likelihood in the present market of anyone going to the enormous expense of introducing a clone is zilch? I was reading a few days ago about the last processing run of Kodachrome at Dwaynes, and its complexity. So as well as the enormous task of making a clone, somebody would need to manufacture the complex processing chemicals and someone else would have to build & run a new processing line. With labs shutting down left right and centre, this also seems an unlikely event. We need to move on rather than fantasize about something that clearly will not happen, much as we might wish for it, or get into arguments about building new steam locomotives!
It's worth remembering too, that over the past few years, there have been several scares on here about Kodachrome being discontinued, so when that event actually happened, it was hardly a surprise. The truth is that people weren't buying the product, so it was discontinued. Even amongst APUG members, it seems to have only been a minority interest in recent years!
Humanity arrived at a locomotive at the beginning of the XIX century, while the first viable industrially produced colour film was produced only in 1935 (KC itself).
To me this means that "a locomotive", a generic one, is intrinsically less complex than a Kodachrome, as the former is a "XIX century technology" product. I am sure later locomotives are much more sophisticated and require XX century technology. But that again is not the point.
Designing a modern locomotive and designing a film are certainly both extremely complex tasks. Designing a "typical XX century locomotive" is XX century technology just as it is KC. If it wasn't equally complex, humanity would have arrived there earlier. So a locomotive incorporating technology that was new in 1935 is certainly not easier to build than KC, in principle.
The problem here is that you can make a single locomotive, or a single luxury car, and replicated it artisanally, and it might have a market, and a manufacturing sense.
You can build 1 car / year in your garage, it may cost $300.000, and you can find buyers for it, and be booked for years. Or you can think later about industrializing production. I think the same can be said for locomotives. You can - as historically happened - start building a few, and only later industrialize the process.
The problem with KC film is that it is not something that can be produced in a garage and be economically viable. It is, so to speak, a product that is "intrinsically industrial". Other, simpler kind of films have been produced "in the garage" first, and only later industrialized.
Any industrial film producer must be able to produce KC, it is old technology, it is described, the patent is available, so anybody in the industry can certainly produce it.
What is lacking is not the access to the technology, or the industrial capability.
What is lacking is the perception, by a producer, that there is a potential market, for this product, in such a volume that justifies its production. And unlike a B&W film, small volumes would not work.
Humanity arrived at a locomotive at the beginning of the XIX century, while the first viable industrially produced colour film was.......
PS TIP is in my view a misleading comparison, because people at TIP could not use some chemicals of the original formula (which is not produced anymore due to environmental reasons, IIRC). So TIP has had to work around difficulties, to "reinvent" the product, it is really a new product and it shows in the results (what I have seen so far is just awful, a colour film works when the sky is blue and the grass is green).
Alright, I want to bottom line this.
Antonov and anyone else that wants Kodachrome to come back please do the following.
Go to the bank and get a pile of your own money and have a company make it for you, all the patents are public and you have every right to do it. I see a lot of complaining but not a lot of doing. Now if your not going to actually do something you need to put on your big girl panties, suck it up and quit your whining.
When I see a roll of K-14 Antonovchrome I might have some respect for you again.
I say - everything is possible.
Steve Smith said:I say - everything is possible.
The owner of the company I worked for when I left school used to say that the customer can have whatever they want, whenever they want it... as long as they can afford it!
Steve.
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