FWIW,I made a quick call to 1-800-242-2424 regarking Kodachrome. I was told that it would not be discontinued in the near future. Now, I would take this with a grain of salt, but, good news is good news!
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Well, I've searched for the article and nothing yet.
The article is certainly not a Kodak announcement coming as it were from the AP. I think it to be a pure story about the product.
Lets not speculate.
PE
The article is certainly not a Kodak announcement coming as it were from the AP. I think it to be a pure story about the product.
Lets not speculate.
PE
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Not quite yet! I have forgotten the exact date, but it is close.
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according to that website it will be 75 in the year 2010
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Thanks guys. I just could not remember that year. Oh well, lets wait for the article.
PE
PE
I live outside boston massachusetts and the processing is run every day, push pull once a week. Shipping takes all the time.
I just got my shipment of K64, it looks to all be #1557, 12/2009.
I have a feeling this is not about the line shutting down, maybe someone at AP googled it and found that it is getting historically old and found that note worthy.
I sure think it is.
Keeping my eyes open too guys...
By the way, I set the date of 2010 my self based on the information I got of 1935. If there is a much more accurate date, by all means, chime in!
This is where I got the info:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/kodakHistory/1930_1959.shtml
I have a feeling this is not about the line shutting down, maybe someone at AP googled it and found that it is getting historically old and found that note worthy.
I sure think it is.
Keeping my eyes open too guys...
By the way, I set the date of 2010 my self based on the information I got of 1935. If there is a much more accurate date, by all means, chime in!
This is where I got the info:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/kodakHistory/1930_1959.shtml
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I swear, if Kodak were to come out and make any sort of positive comment regarding Kodachrome and its future, or even (big gulp!) actually start marketing it again and try to increase their sales volume, I'd immediately purchase an initial 20 rolls, along with a brand new slide projector and a film scanner to be able to share my efforts online.
The slide projector would have been a Kodak Carousel as well, but we all know what happened there, too. The Brauns look nice, however.
Show me any kind of commitment, and I'll reciprocate in kind. I'll set my 8x10 aside, pull out my still-excellent Nikon F2 and lenses, and start wandering the streets like I was 20-years-old again. And you know, for those of us north of the equator, autumn colors are just right around the corner...
After all these years of loyally purchasing Kodak products, Kodachrome is now just about my last emotional connection to Kodak. They've managed to break every other bond. I sorely don't want to see this one broken as well.
Ken
The slide projector would have been a Kodak Carousel as well, but we all know what happened there, too. The Brauns look nice, however.
Show me any kind of commitment, and I'll reciprocate in kind. I'll set my 8x10 aside, pull out my still-excellent Nikon F2 and lenses, and start wandering the streets like I was 20-years-old again. And you know, for those of us north of the equator, autumn colors are just right around the corner...
After all these years of loyally purchasing Kodak products, Kodachrome is now just about my last emotional connection to Kodak. They've managed to break every other bond. I sorely don't want to see this one broken as well.
Ken
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Well, the slide projector and the film scanner(s) are already here! They never left...
Like you, all I need is some form of commitment from Kodak the darn thing ain't gonna go the way of the dodo and I'll be back in!
I'll miss K25 forever...
But I'll nicely settle for K64 or, heaven forbid, K100!
After all these years of loyally purchasing Kodak products, Kodachrome is now just about my last emotional connection to Kodak. They've managed to break every other bond. I sorely don't want to see this one broken as well.
Ken[/QUOTE]
I would add Tri-X to the list. The loss of HIE was was not easy to swallow, especially after their initial assurances.
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I would add Tri-X to the list. The loss of HIE was was not easy to swallow, especially after their initial assurances.
Funny but untrue. Kodachrome was introduced in 1935. McCain was born in 1936.
I *just* don't understand this, at all.
I just got a batch in from freestyle of 100 rolls that have an expiration of 12/2009. That does not exactly say to me it was coated in 1968. They have consolidated, there is one lab that does a great job, what is left is the most versatile version, KR-64-135-36. Which by the way, looks darn near as good as KM-25 when it comes down to brass tacks.
Do you think that they not read this forum? Because I know for a fact that certain people at Kodak do. And they must think as much as I do at how silly it is that some of you sit around with your backs turned, arms folded like some 9 year old all put out because they are not telling you personally that they are at least for now, committed to the film.
So I have an idea: How about YOU show them how committed to the film YOU are by ordering that 20 rolls:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/27956-USA/Kodak_1528306_KR_135_36_Kodachrome_64.html
Or,
http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_prod.php?cat_id=&pid=768
Actions speak louder than words, especially in this case.
I have made personal sacrifices and passed on good paying gigs to shoot my projects, that is what it takes to make brilliant imagery at least in my mind.
What are you willing to do?
I agree completely. We would all like to hear the Yellow Father tell us Kodachrome will be around forever, but we aren't going to hear it. However, they have told everyone who has called that there are no plans to discontinue Kodachrome currently. That is probably as close as we are going to get to assurance.
Why would Kodak discontinue Kodachrome? They will do this if people aren't buying it, just like any of us would do if it were our own product. Maybe someday UNICEF will get into the film business, but for the mean time, this isn't a charity case. It is ridiculous for us to say that we would buy Kodachrome if Kodak would guarantee its manufacture and processing availability, and with that mentality we are doing our part to ensure the demise of the greatest color film this world has ever known. All of us know that money talks and bullshit walks. So let's use our money to buy this film and dispense with the "I'll buy all the Kodachrome I can find if Kodak would just reassure me they are going to keep making it" bullshit.
Furthermore, I believe that Kodak and/or Dwayne's will give us plenty of notice of the intent to shut down the last K-14 line. Probably a year, if I had to guess. That would give us all the time we need to shoot the Kodachrome we have bought. What is there to stop us all who love this film from buying a brick or two of it right now? The film and processing are available now and will be for the foreseeable future. So are slide projectors, mounters, mounts, and everything else we need.
Sorry, but I'm just tired of this ass-backwards logic that is simply driving nails into the coffin of a great film. If you just don't want to buy it, fine. But stop acting like it's Kodak's fault.
One reason could be that the process to get Kodachrome developed is toxic as hell, and why focus has been shifted to other types of color films.
PE - any insight in that matter? I forget what it was about Kodachrome that was nasty.
- Thomas
PE - any insight in that matter? I forget what it was about Kodachrome that was nasty.
- Thomas
It's the end of the week now still nothing. It's highly probable Kodachome is going to be discontinued at some point in the not so distant future, but it was such a flagship product there may be one last rattle in its tail.
Kodak are highly unlike to want to displease photographers again as they did with the sudden and unforeseen closure of their Black & White paper manufacture. They do appear to have realised that Photographers matter to their sales figures, and can easily switch to using their competitors films etc.
They've just released the new Ektar 100 C41 film, presumably they could produce a similar new technology premium E6 film to replace Kodachrome.
Ian
Kodak are highly unlike to want to displease photographers again as they did with the sudden and unforeseen closure of their Black & White paper manufacture. They do appear to have realised that Photographers matter to their sales figures, and can easily switch to using their competitors films etc.
They've just released the new Ektar 100 C41 film, presumably they could produce a similar new technology premium E6 film to replace Kodachrome.
Ian
I thought that was E4 process which used a rather toxic fogging agent, instead of manual rexposure using coloured light. The only things that I can think of as Nasty Nasty for Kodachrome would be the colour developers as they contain dye intermediates which I suspect ain't good for your health.
The rest of the process is just normal developer chems fix and bleach
Unless of course my voice gets muffled when I sit down
The rest of the process is just normal developer chems fix and bleach
Unless of course my voice gets muffled when I sit down
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Ian;
I still find nothing either, but then there is Saturday. My wife took the call about the article and the note is sitting next to me right now.
I am fairly sure that there is no E6 work ongoing at KRL. The emulsions used in E6 and Kodachrome are a bit different than those used in B&W and C41 and AFAIK, there is no work on the E6 type emulsions. Who knows. EK may surprise us all.
PE
I still find nothing either, but then there is Saturday. My wife took the call about the article and the note is sitting next to me right now.
I am fairly sure that there is no E6 work ongoing at KRL. The emulsions used in E6 and Kodachrome are a bit different than those used in B&W and C41 and AFAIK, there is no work on the E6 type emulsions. Who knows. EK may surprise us all.
PE
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E6 uses Stannous Chloride as reversing agent, E4 used t-Butylamine Borane which was quite toxic. It also used either a Glutaraldehyde or Succinaldehyde pre-hardener which was a bit nasty. Kodachrome uses 2 color deveoping agents and 3 couplers along with some solvents in the developers. There are no unusual chemicals beyond that AFAIK. The formulas are in the patent. The patent is under the names Bent and Mowrey.
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David A. Goldfarb
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That would be 3,658,525, I take it?--
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Wl...bstract&zoom=4&dq=rowland+mowrey+bent#PPA1,M1
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OP
Well, that is the patent, and I had forgotten that in that iteration of Kodachrome, the magenta layer was fogged at the end by a Borohydride bath. Nasty stuff. I hope that they have converted to Stannous Chloride, but IDK.
Sorry about that lapse. We used room light to re-expose the final magenta layer, but it was hard punching through all of that silver and dye, so a chemical means was used. I had completely forgotten.
PE
Sorry about that lapse. We used room light to re-expose the final magenta layer, but it was hard punching through all of that silver and dye, so a chemical means was used. I had completely forgotten.
PE
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