Just Cancelled Photoshop

[Paul Howell]

Your right, PS, Lightroom are only by subscription. I have a subscription which I'm going to cancel, I just don't use it much. You can still get Corel on a disk. My very old PC has a CD/DVD drive and I have a plug in drive to load on my laptop. At this point I don't see a reason to upgrade, my old version of Paint shop Pro X9 and Aftershot does everything I need. I saw there are old unopened copies of earlier version of Photoshop on Ebay.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

My point is, if one is to complain about the price of using PhotoShop, there are other ways to adjust a digital file. If you need the tools that photoshop offers, you need to pay for them. And no publisher I know of requires or even will accept a PhosSop file, they mostly want TIFF or JPEG.

One could get Adobe Photoshop Elements. A one-time fee of around $100 and probably is plenty enough for most people.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Your right, PS, Lightroom are only by subscription. I have a subscription which I'm going to cancel, I just don't use it much. You can still get Corel on a disk. My very old PC has a CD/DVD drive and I have a plug in drive to load on my laptop. At this point I don't see a reason to upgrade, my old version of Paint shop Pro X9 and Aftershot does everything I need. I saw there are old unopened copies of earlier version of Photoshop on Ebay.

I'm still using Lightroom V6 licensed. For cropping, exposure adjustments, BW conversion, and an efficient catalog system to find stuff, it still satisfies. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing with the monthly version.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

One could get Adobe Photoshop Elements. A one-time fee of around $100 and probably is plenty enough for most people.

Only good enough if "most people" don't want to make prints with good tonality. Elements is an 8-bit application, not 16.

 

[Pieter12]

Interesting...one could own a darkroom for $10 a month?

No, but I'll gues I spend around $10 a month for the electricity I use in my darkroom.

 

[MattKing]

Only good enough if "most people" don't want to make prints with good tonality. Elements is an 8-bit application, not 16.

The Corel products - Aftershot Pro 3 and Paintshop Pro 2022 - both fully support 16 bit editing and output.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I found, for myself, that monthly subscriptions are constant drain which one tends to forget about. Then add one for Sirius radio and another, soon one starts to wonder where has the money gone? Gee I thought I was doing better than that! Years ago with it first came out, I saw that early on with the ad free radio and realized that subscriptions can drag one down since they would be forgotten and never cancelled as each of them fade from memory. Same reason I do not jump for the next new model car with the car payments tying up the cash flow. If one can get rid of monthly payments other than housing, electricity, heating-cooling [gas and or electric], water and sewage, then one has more money for interests such as photography, travel, hiking, camping, boating, ... whatever one is interested in. Get rind of unnecessary income drains and live can become much better, even if only to be able to withstand life's emergencies or disasters.

Just think how many cameras or lenses you could buy if you were not tied down by subscriptions.

 

[Pieter12]

I found, for myself, that monthly subscriptions are constant drain which one tends to forget about. Then add one for Sirius radio and another, soon one starts to wonder where has the money gone? Gee I thought I was doing better than that! Years ago with it first came out, I saw that early on with the ad free radio and realized that subscriptions can drag one down since they would be forgotten and never cancelled as each of them fade from memory. Same reason I do not jump for the next new model car with the car payments tying up the cash flow. If one can get rid of monthly payments other than housing, electricity, heating-cooling [gas and or electric], water and sewage, then one has more money for interests such as photography, travel, hiking, camping, boating, ... whatever one is interested in. Get rind of unnecessary income drains and live can become much better, even if only to be able to withstand life's emergencies or disasters.

Just think how many cameras or lenses you could buy if you were not tied down by subscriptions.

But what if one of those subscriptions just happens to support your interest in photography? And don't you look at your monthly credit card and banking statements closely enough to be reminded of subscriptions that are dragging you down? You can cancel those, as difficult as it may seem.

 

[Photowithfries]

Do you really take such lousy photos that you must have PhotoShop to retouch them? If you can't afford the program, maybe you should improve your photography so it isn't necessary. Most digital cameras come with some sort of software that allows for reasonable adjustments, cropping, etc. And there are tons of elementary retouching programs available for free or low cost.

Possibly a good solution would be a "balloon note" so you rent to own it. Then when you retire you still have it to play with.

 

[Sirius Glass]

But what if one of those subscriptions just happens to support your interest in photography? And don't you look at your monthly credit card and banking statements closely enough to be reminded of subscriptions that are dragging you down? You can cancel those, as difficult as it may seem.

My only one is Photrio and I review it once a year and determine if I still want it. It is not a monthly blood sucking vampire draining my account the way PhotoShop does.

 

[Paul Howell]

I'm still using Lightroom V6 licensed. For cropping, exposure adjustments, BW conversion, and an efficient catalog system to find stuff, it still satisfies. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing with the monthly version.

If I were a dedicated PS user a small monthly fee as opposed to forking over $600 for a stand alone version, and updates as developed makes sense. I do have Microsoft Office as I use word just about every day. In my case I find that I keep returning to Corel, I started with Corel, even as PS became the industry standard I stuck with Corel rather than being bothered learning a new work flow. There may some PS application that are easier or just flat out better than Corel, just does not matter to me.

 

[Pieter12]

My only one is Photrio and I review it once a year and determine if I still want it. It is not a monthly blood sucking vampire draining my account the way PhotoShop does.

PhotoShop costs less than a subscription to public radio or TV. I wouldn't call it "blood-sucking," since at least I use it on a regular, weekly basis.

 

[Pieter12]

Possibly a good solution would be a "balloon note" so you rent to own it. Then when you retire you still have it to play with.

Adobe doesn't want anyone to own a copy of the PhotoShop program any more. They got seriously dinged by pirated copies and serial numbers when they offered the program for sale. Plus, what happens to that copy of PS you own when you upgrade your system or computer? Nothing stays static in the computer world.

 

[Photowithfries]

LOL!
Do you ask everybody that agrees with this statement they get a kickback too?
BTW, your handle sounds like it came from a jingle, ya know, one used in "advertising."

It was this huge color sign in the middle of the forum being posted there that I have not seen done before. So I just had to ask! And BTW my "handle" does come from doing commercial work, which gets to be like "the photo you are requesting is kind of just a hamburger instead of a sizzling steak, but we can do that too, and if you want fries with it, we do that, but only strait cut fries. If you want curly fries with it, we don't do those. Find someone else to do those for you. Kind of nuts but it's like showing an art director a portfolio of twenty table top illustrative images, so then they ask you to do some grip and grin shots at noon at some bank. Drives you crazy until you find someone that needs your kind of work!

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Adobe doesn't want anyone to own a copy of the PhotoShop program any more. They got seriously dinged by pirated copies and serial numbers when they offered the program for sale. Plus, what happens to that copy of PS you own when you upgrade your system or computer? Nothing stays static in the computer world.

My old Lightroom V6 purchased licensed loaded OK when I replaced my desktop with Windows 11. Runs better than ever. Starts up in one second. Of course, that's probably the SSD drive. I did have to contact Adobe to get the right link to download the app. Somehow they lost my purchased serial number and I had to straighten it out with them.

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

I have always fundamentally objected to Adobe treatment of customers as one homogeneous base.

1. No recognition that some earn money from its use
2. No recognition that some are merely hobbyist users,
3. No recognition that some users are retired with limited income

It extorts the same money out of all folks uniformly. $120 is a lot of money for some, even 'only $10 a month' bleeding.

I think General Motors should sell me a new Cadillac CT5 Blackwing for $20,000 because the $110,000 it costs is a lot of money to me. My old Cadillac CTS is too old, I want another Cadillac and I'm going to stamp my feet and throw a tantrum if they won't sell me a new one cheap!

You folks forget that Photoshop used to cost $700 back when you could buy the CD. When new versions came out, you had to pay a couple hundred for each update. The subscription thing is not expensive, and most of you have tens of thousands of dollars in cameras and lenses...but you object to paying for the software you need to edit the photos. Dumb.

 

[Pieter12]

I think General Motors should sell me a new Cadillac CT5 Blackwing for $20,000 because the $110,000 it costs is a lot of money to me. My old Cadillac CTS is too old, I want another Cadillac and I'm going to stamp my feet and throw a tantrum if they won't sell me a new one cheap!

You folks forget that Photoshop used to cost $700 back when you could buy the CD. When new versions came out, you had to pay a couple hundred for each update. The subscription thing is not expensive, and most of you have tens of thousands of dollars in cameras and lenses...but you object to paying for the software you need to edit the photos. Dumb.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I think General Motors should sell me a new Cadillac CT5 Blackwing for $20,000 because the $110,000 it costs is a lot of money to me. My old Cadillac CTS is too old, I want another Cadillac and I'm going to stamp my feet and throw a tantrum if they won't sell me a new one cheap!

You folks forget that Photoshop used to cost $700 back when you could buy the CD. When new versions came out, you had to pay a couple hundred for each update. The subscription thing is not expensive, and most of you have tens of thousands of dollars in cameras and lenses...but you object to paying for the software you need to edit the photos. Dumb.

Ignoring that $700 was too much to start with and the upgrades were over priced.

 

[MattKing]

Ignoring that $700 was too much to start with and the upgrades were over priced.

Well priced actually, considering its graphics and publishing and photo management capabilities, all of which are well supported.
But its like buying a Hasselblad system when one rarely shares ones photography - PhotoShop may be more than one needs.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Well priced actually, considering its graphics and publishing and photo management capabilities, all of which are well supported.
But its like buying a Hasselblad system when one rarely shares ones photography - PhotoShop may be more than one needs.

A used Hasselblad body is less than PhotoShop and in the hands of a photographer is more useful, especially considering PhotoShop cannot take a photo but can fake one.

 

[MattKing]

A used Hasselblad body is less than PhotoShop and in the hands of a photographer is more useful, especially considering PhotoShop cannot take a photo but can fake one.

It is unfortunate that you haven't had the opportunity to experience the work that I've been lucky to see. In particular the work of talented craftspeople and artists who employ Photoshop as part of a workflow that includes digital negatives and alternative and traditional printing processes.\
Not to mention the people who prepare work for publishing.

 

[wiltw]

I think General Motors should sell me a new Cadillac CT5 Blackwing for $20,000 because the $110,000 it costs is a lot of money to me. My old Cadillac CTS is too old, I want another Cadillac and I'm going to stamp my feet and throw a tantrum if they won't sell me a new one cheap!

You folks forget that Photoshop used to cost $700 back when you could buy the CD. When new versions came out, you had to pay a couple hundred for each update. The subscription thing is not expensive, and most of you have tens of thousands of dollars in cameras and lenses...but you object to paying for the software you need to edit the photos. Dumb.

What is wrong with the concept that a professional, who derives income from use of a product, pays more for that product than a casual user who derives no income from that same product use?!

So nobody gives a d*mn that when they are retired and living on $2000 a month from Social Security payments that some company cares (particularly about folks who were lifelong users of their products -- they know which ones have registered their products over how many years!) and gives a price break. There are a number of establishments who give seniors a 10% price break on purchases, or free extras.

May Social Security cease to exist when you retire, and then see how you feel about senior discounts at that point in your life!

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Unless it is second-hand or bootleg, there is no Photoshop or other CS software available from Adobe on disc. You can't even download older, pre-cloud versions any more. So even if you already own a serial number you're SOL.

I still have an old CD version but, since I have the subscription model, I never touched it anymore.

 

[Photowithfries]

Since Hasselblad was introduced within this photoshop discussion, it reminds me that regularly having all these lenses, cameras, and backs serviced on a regular basis, as well as strobes being maintained, etc. is normally done, because you are working with them. The cost there is a bit more than the rental cost of PS. Now to be "competitive" you may need some medium format digital equipment (with maintenance costs) just as you need PS latest upgrades to "keep ahead". And so on...
So then while you are producing all this work why not hire a digital assistant? And a stylist or two. And as you get older hire an assistant to carry stuff, set it up, and check your focus. Then PS at ten bucks a month is a perfect measure to lower your blood pressure! Sounds goofy but if you're in full time production this can become a necessary workflow. Now when you "retire" you push back from the rat race of buying and renting stuff. Then you still shoot for fun(if you're lucky). The ten dollars a month is like nothing because you were smart enough to buy a coin operated car wash somewhere along the way.

 

[Photowithfries]

Nice to meet you!

Yes! My pleasure!