Is there really a strong interest in film photography?

[Alan Edward Klein]

Bless Xerox.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Yes, I invented it.

Well, that's great. So I have a question too. When I bought a 4K 75" smart TV, I also bought one of the first BluRay (BR) players, a Samsung unit. It's plays back BluRay video and also plays back 4K on DVD's.

I used to burn 2k video slide shows on a DVD to play on a CD player. But with 4K I found I could burn 4K MP4 H264 on a DVD to play on the Samsung BR as well. The only problem is you can only get 4GB on a DVD and the slide video shows were often longer. So now I just dump the shows on a memory card with loads more data that's plugged into the 4K smart TV. Also, the DVD would not read the data fast enough at times even on the BR player

Two questions:

1. Is there another way of using disks with larger storage or another type of storage disk? How about a dual DVD with 8GB. Do you know if they would work on a BR player?

2. YOu can only create indexing menus on DVDs using video editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements. Menus can't be created if the final movie is dumped on memory cards. I understand the music industry did this to protect their processes for professional movies that are issued with menus to select different parts of the movie. Is that still the same? Is there a way to create menu indexing on homemade movies on memory cards?.

 

[snusmumriken]

One thing that I don't think is coming back is carbon paper. Did you ever have to type a letter and copy 6 people and keep a copy for yourself?

Well, in the old days, you'd stick carbon paper sheets between each pair of the 7 sheets and stick the whole thing in the typewriter and type away. God forbid you made a typing mistake. Then you had to correct it on 7 sheets. Now that was torture.

I wrote my 300-page PhD thesis like that. Made many mistakes along the way, which meant re-typing quite a few pages. Minor revisions were requested by the referees after submission, so I basically had to re-type the whole thing. No electric typewriter either.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Well, that's great. So I have a question too. When I bought a 4K 75" smart TV, I also bought one of the first BluRay (BR) players, a Samsung unit. It's plays back BluRay video and also plays back 4K on DVD's.

I used to burn 2k video slide shows on a DVD to play on a CD player. But with 4K I found I could burn 4K MP4 H264 on a DVD to play on the Samsung BR as well. The only problem is you can only get 4GB on a DVD and the slide video shows were often longer. So now I just dump the shows on a memory card with loads more data that's plugged into the 4K smart TV. Also, the DVD would not read the data fast enough at times even on the BR player

Two questions:

1. Is there another way of using disks with larger storage or another type of storage disk? How about a dual DVD with 8GB. Do you know if they would work on a BR player?

2. YOu can only create indexing menus on DVDs using video editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements. Menus can't be created if the final movie is dumped on memory cards. I understand the music industry did this to protect their processes for professional movies that are issued with menus to select different parts of the movie. Is that still the same? Is there a way to create menu indexing on homemade movies on memory cards?.

I wrote my 300-page PhD thesis like that. Made many mistakes along the way, which meant re-typing quite a few pages. Minor revisions were requested by the referees after submission, so I basically had to re-type the whole thing. No electric typewriter either.

Aren't computers and Word with spellcheck and grammarcheck just wonderful? Better than sliced bread.

 

[Oldwino]

Aren't computers and Word with spellcheck and grammarcheck just wonderful? Better than sliced bread.

You mean, like digital cameras? (Ok, ducking now….)

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

You mean, like digital cameras? (Ok, ducking now….)

Many authors still use manual typewriters or plain old writing to write their novels. It works for them. Well, film works for us.

 

[Deacon]

You mean, like digital cameras? (Ok, ducking now….)

Hello I know this is weird but I’ve been trying to message I saw you had a post about a

The Agfa Super Isolette / ANSCO Super Speedex camera and I recently got one and I can’t seem to get its shutter to fire I can force it with this lever thing but the button doesn’t work or maybe it isn’t a button it’s the one opposite the button to open it the camera lens thing sorry if idk what I’m saying lol I was just wondering if maybe you could help me understand how my camera works if not it’s ok thank you for your time​

 

[George Mann]

Bravo, that man. Had the potential to be better than what we got. Am I correct in saying a shorter wavelength laser was used?

When I designed my full spectrum, frequency modulated optical analog disc format, it was decided that each track would take up too much real estate on the disc.

Naturally, they wanted to see if some sort of compression could alleviate this issue. But most types of compression is lossy, so they came up with a way to place multiple waveforms within the main waveform trace using pulse width modulation as its carrier.

This allowed for a more shallow wavelength as well.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Hello I know this is weird but I’ve been trying to message I saw you had a post about a

The Agfa Super Isolette / ANSCO Super Speedex camera and I recently got one and I can’t seem to get its shutter to fire I can force it with this lever thing but the button doesn’t work or maybe it isn’t a button it’s the one opposite the button to open it the camera lens thing sorry if idk what I’m saying lol I was just wondering if maybe you could help me understand how my camera works if not it’s ok thank you for your time​

One has to have either 10 or 20 posts to begin using the PM function. It has to do with preventing spamming and scamming.

 

[George Mann]

Two questions:

1. Is there another way of using disks with larger storage or another type of storage disk? How about a dual DVD with 8GB. Do you know if they would work on a BR player?

2. YOu can only create indexing menus on DVDs using video editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements. Menus can't be created if the final movie is dumped on memory cards. I understand the music industry did this to protect their processes for professional movies that are issued with menus to select different parts of the movie. Is that still the same? Is there a way to create menu indexing on homemade movies on memory cards?.

A dual DVD may work, or any disc of expanded capacity. I haven't followed the currently available formats for years. Therefore, I wouldn't know what types of discs or formats are specifically compatible with Blue Ray.

The second question relates to copyright protection, which is something that I know little about.

 

[Agulliver]

One thing that I don't think is coming back is carbon paper. Did you ever have to type a letter and copy 6 people and keep a copy for yourself?

Well, in the old days, you'd stick carbon paper sheets between each pair of the 7 sheets and stick the whole thing in the typewriter and type away. God forbid you made a typing mistake. Then you had to correct it on 7 sheets. Now that was torture.

Well, you can still buy carbon paper so someone us using it.

I did use it a bit in the 80s. It was already out of date by then but my dad had a significant stash and I recall using it for some school work before I got an electric typewriter and eventually a printer for my Atari ST. Those suckers were expensive in those days and for some reason I forget now I needed two copies of some work. I recall borrowing an IBM "golf ball" typewriter to type up a big school Physics project and then finding a lesser (but more fun) Sharp model in a charity shop for £20. That only got thrown out in 2018 and I actually wish I'd kept it. Still got the Atari ST though.

 

[grat]

Two questions:

1. Is there another way of using disks with larger storage or another type of storage disk? How about a dual DVD with 8GB. Do you know if they would work on a BR player?

2. You can only create indexing menus on DVDs using video editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements. Menus can't be created if the final movie is dumped on memory cards. I understand the music industry did this to protect their processes for professional movies that are issued with menus to select different parts of the movie. Is that still the same? Is there a way to create menu indexing on homemade movies on memory cards?.

There are recordable BluRay discs that allow 25 or 50gb storage capacity. There are many and numerous packages out there for creating menus for DVD and Blu-Ray. You'll need to make sure your BluRay player can handle recordable discs.

Blu-ray Disc recordable - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

5 Best Blu-ray Menu Creator and Editor Programs

If you prefer to add some subtitles or menus to the Blu-ray disc, you may need a Blu-ray creating tool, which is why you should check this post.

www.leawo.org

 

[DF]

Correct. The only unknown is when. Gravity brings down all things that go up.

But I do hope it stays around for awhile.
'Just wish the price of color film/processing stops soaring.

 

[Oldwino]

Hello I know this is weird but I’ve been trying to message I saw you had a post about a

The Agfa Super Isolette / ANSCO Super Speedex camera and I recently got one and I can’t seem to get its shutter to fire I can force it with this lever thing but the button doesn’t work or maybe it isn’t a button it’s the one opposite the button to open it the camera lens thing sorry if idk what I’m saying lol I was just wondering if maybe you could help me understand how my camera works if not it’s ok thank you for your time​

I’ve sent you a message about this.

 

[Helge]

One thing that I don't think is coming back is carbon paper. Did you ever have to type a letter and copy 6 people and keep a copy for yourself?

Well, in the old days, you'd stick carbon paper sheets between each pair of the 7 sheets and stick the whole thing in the typewriter and type away. God forbid you made a typing mistake. Then you had to correct it on 7 sheets. Now that was torture.

Typewriters are back big-time, so I wouldn’t I think it’s impossible. Especially for creative writing. I think it’s impossible
Watch the Tom Hanks documentary from a few years ago.
Carbon paper is pretty easy to make too.
In fact, last I checked, they still made it.
I still have a pack of it somewhere. It can come in pretty handy for other stuff than typing.
Rubbing transfers is one example.

 

[BMbikerider]

Aren't computers and Word with spellcheck and grammarcheck just wonderful? Better than sliced bread.

So long as the computer is talking British/English, some of the other variations are 'odd'.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Well, you can still buy carbon paper so someone us using it.

I did use it a bit in the 80s. It was already out of date by then but my dad had a significant stash and I recall using it for some school work before I got an electric typewriter and eventually a printer for my Atari ST. Those suckers were expensive in those days and for some reason I forget now I needed two copies of some work. I recall borrowing an IBM "golf ball" typewriter to type up a big school Physics project and then finding a lesser (but more fun) Sharp model in a charity shop for £20. That only got thrown out in 2018 and I actually wish I'd kept it. Still got the Atari ST though.

The IBM Selectric with the golf ball was great. You changed fonts by changing the golf ball head to get a different look. Sort of like changing film backs on my Mamiya RB67 MF or 4x5 LF cameras.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

There are recordable BluRay discs that allow 25 or 50gb storage capacity. There are many and numerous packages out there for creating menus for DVD and Blu-Ray. You'll need to make sure your BluRay player can handle recordable discs.

Blu-ray Disc recordable - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

5 Best Blu-ray Menu Creator and Editor Programs

If you prefer to add some subtitles or menus to the Blu-ray disc, you may need a Blu-ray creating tool, which is why you should check this post.

www.leawo.org

I thought it wouldn't do it for 4K recordings. Maybe they changed it. In any case, I stopped using DVDs. My daughter no longer has a DVD reader and a lot of other people don't have one either. So memory cards with their extra speed and storage, as well as their ability to connect to most devices, makes it the way to go today.

Can you do menus for 4K video shows on memory cards that you plug into smart TVs?

 

[kal800]

This supposed resurgence in Film Photography is largely a passing fad. It will eventually start to round off, die down.
The first-timers at our community darkroom hold their cellphone in one hand while agitating the film tank with the other.
Sometimes they'll bring them into the darkroom for printing and we have to holler at them - NO !!!

I dare to differ. We have not witnessed the demise of one technology in favour of the new one, better. It is not like in case of analogue cellulars vs digital, or CRT vs LCD, etc. It has been the transformation from mainstream, popular product, to the niche one, used exclusively by creative photographers, both pro and amateurs and since it has not been the market for big organisations, they abandoned it, handing it over to the smaller start-ups in most cases. It's very interesting why Fuji has not sold its film part yet. It is clear that they would like to do so, but for some reason they are still in business. Maybe they share the same anticipation as myself, that the digital camera market will be in the same situation in foreseeable future as film one at this moment. Smartphones have wiped out digital compacts and lower to midrange DSLRs already. Digital camera is no longer the same equipment like TV or fridge in every household. You buy one only if you are serious into photography, and I guess that for some of those users latest iPhone would be sufficient gear unless they take sports or nature, demanding longer lenses. In such reality restoration of film product line would just increase sales volume.

And the last thing - digital will never beat Large Format - it is not possible to produce CMOS sensor of that size.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I thought it wouldn't do it for 4K recordings. Maybe they changed it. In any case, I stopped using DVDs. My daughter no longer has a DVD reader and a lot of other people don't have one either. So memory cards with their extra speed and storage, as well as their ability to connect to most devices, makes it the way to go today.

Can you do menus for 4K video shows on memory cards that you plug into smart TVs?

I'm creating one now and will try it out.

 

[VinceInMT]

I dare to differ. We have not witnessed the demise of one technology in favour of the new one….

Good observations. No to track too far off topic, but this reminded me of something I’ve been musing about for some time. I retired 10-years ago after working full time for 42 years, working in various fields over that time. I was reflection on how many of my workplace-specific skills are no longer marketable due to the changes in technology.

For example, while I was working in a medium sized photofinishing lab (another set of skills not applicable today) I studied mechanical drafting after which I went to work in the petro-chem industry as a drafter. This was 1979 and the work was done with pencils or pens on vellum or Mylar, using triangles, scales, templates, and hand-lettering. I switched to education (high school) in 1991 and taught both traditional drafting and CAD, eventually phasing out the traditional, except for on-site sketching. I have former students working in the engineering and architectural fields and I asked if they do ANY traditional drafting for the final work and they just laugh. With the exception of the architects who still hand draw conceptual work, all final work is done on a computer.

I see this as a natural evolution and, as kal800 suggests, somethings just fall into a niche market.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Good observations. No to track too far off topic, but this reminded me of something I’ve been musing about for some time. I retired 10-years ago after working full time for 42 years, working in various fields over that time. I was reflection on how many of my workplace-specific skills are no longer marketable due to the changes in technology.

For example, while I was working in a medium sized photofinishing lab (another set of skills not applicable today) I studied mechanical drafting after which I went to work in the petro-chem industry as a drafter. This was 1979 and the work was done with pencils or pens on vellum or Mylar, using triangles, scales, templates, and hand-lettering. I switched to education (high school) in 1991 and taught both traditional drafting and CAD, eventually phasing out the traditional, except for on-site sketching. I have former students working in the engineering and architectural fields and I asked if they do ANY traditional drafting for the final work and they just laugh. With the exception of the architects who still hand draw conceptual work, all final work is done on a computer.

I see this as a natural evolution and, as kal800 suggests, somethings just fall into a niche market.

I'm a boomer in your age group and remember slide rules instead of calculators. I too worked in construction engineering and witnessed the upgrade from hand drafting to CAD. I think Adobe learned the leasing sales from CAD when they went to their monthly charge for life. When I worked in a bank, I used a mechanical calculator and did multiplication with it k'ching k'chang. All these wheels turning around. And we learned arithmetic with a pencil and paper. The kids today can't give change of a dollar without a calculator. And if you give them a twenty and a quarter for a $15.25 bill, they look at you like you're an alien.

 

[Cholentpot]

I'm a boomer in your age group and remember slide rules instead of calculators. I too worked in construction engineering and witnessed the upgrade from hand drafting to CAD. I think Adobe learned the leasing sales from CAD when they went to their monthly charge for life. When I worked in a bank, I used a mechanical calculator and did multiplication with it k'ching k'chang. All these wheels turning around. And we learned arithmetic with a pencil and paper. The kids today can't give change of a dollar without a calculator. And if you give them a twenty and a quarter for a $15.25 bill, they look at you like you're an alien.

You can thank common core for that. It's bonkers, at least the mathematics part.

'We need to teach them to THINK math'

No, the kids need to learn their tables. Stop over complicating it.

 

[VinceInMT]

You can thank common core for that. It's bonkers, at least the mathematics part.

'We need to teach them to THINK math'

No, the kids need to learn their tables. Stop over complicating it.

We should probably take that discussion to The Lounge but I will tell you, as retired educator who taught for decades at the high school level, student achievement has very little to do with whatever fad has come down the pike be it New Math, Outcome Based Education, Common Core, etc. and EVERYTHING to do with family involvement in the child’s education. Regardless of standards or curriculum, we have, OUT OF THE SAME SCHOOL, students who achieve at high levels and go on to success at major universities and careers and some students who do not do as well. Comparing those two and asking why they achieve differently will yield answers that have nothing to do with standards.

 

[VinceInMT]

The kids today can't give change of a dollar without a calculator. And if you give them a twenty and a quarter for a $15.25 bill, they look at you like you're an alien.

It’s because they have to. The machine tells them how much change to return.