Perhaps if Ilford/Hartman went public, those of us who believe in the product could buy in.
What would that (Pemberstone taking HARMAN public) accomplish?
How would that benefit Harman though? Surely the best way to ensure their ongoing viability is to buy the products. I bought some of the new Kentmere 120 this morning, I'm looking forward to trying it.I was more thinking about those who support film being able to put their money into something other than just buying the product.
If they wanted to expand it is a way of raising capital but I was more thinking about those who support film being able to put their money into something other than just buying the product.
I am sure @Henning Serger can give you details of the profit margins of film manufacturers (approx). IIRC Henning posted about Agfa, before it exited the market, saying the margins on film were a few cents (I can't find the post).
I know before I retired from photo retail a few years ago, the profit margin on film sales was small. We made more profit from developing and scanning a 35 mm film.
Unfortunately, I don't use Facebook or Instagram. Is there a link you could provide that would allow me to see one of the videos without joining?
Regarding Andy Church at Kodak-Alaris, did he mention anything about hiring 300 additional workers to expand production? The news of this was released recently in the press? Accordingly, that should lower prices if his statement is accurate.
For Ilford products,I don’t know, has it? Where?
I’d be very surprised if Kodak, Fuji and Ilford has actually divulged these numbers.
Even if they had, how much trust are we to put in them?
A profit margin of 2% would be extremely slim and sounds wildly implausible. No business can thrive, to any degree, on that little.
Unless you are calculating “profit margin” in a different way.
But everything is politics. Or politics is another word for sociology, psychology, network theory etc.
Name one aspect or field in the realm of humanity that couldn’t be said to have politics in it.
Eastman Kodak makes most of its money in the printing industry.
But it has several other income streams - including a financially significant business that coats materials and finishes a wide variety of materials, including an iconic, still successful although greatly downsized colour film manufacturing business.
It also makes some of the best black and white film in the world. It isn't the market sales leader there.
May I add,
Conversation between myself on the wet coast of Canada, BC, and a friend on the east coast revealed a huge difference in film camera interest.
Cameras on the wet coast are selling for one tenth of the price of the east coast market.
Whilst film photography interest is much above historical levels it is by no means universal.
Darkroom interest is yet another subject.
TB
OK, it seems that there is a few people remembering the around 2% margin. Even though it seems very small.
If that really is the plain truth, then we have no business complaining about the prices at all.
It is worth considering though that (hopefully, without seeming a total tinfoil hat):
1. film manufactures has all the interest in the world in making us think that that is true. And that they’re almost philanthropic in their production of film.
The truth might be anywhere between or above the two extremes of greedy, blind capitalism and stupid philanthropy.
If getting rich was truly all they cared about though, they would probably have choosing another line of work, and that includes the top brass.
2. Annual accounts can be doctored in many ways to look like almost whatever you want them to.
Both to please shareholders, but also to mold the public into believing certain things about the company. There is many examples of this.
3. We still haven’t had anyone give us concrete firsthand numbers and links to annuals.
Thought that was some kind of weird joke so just brushed it off.IT's just a fad. Nothing to see. Going to die out any time now. Just wait. I'm sure it's going to be a fad that dies any day now. Just mark my words.
Then Pentax announce they're bringing back retired engineers to work alongside current staff in a serious project to develop a range of new film cameras. There is no guarantee of success, and even if it does bear fruit it could take years, but they're making a proper effort. Thankfully they still have their blueprints and contact with the old guys who designed and worked on the film cameras decades ago.
Thought that was some kind of weird joke so just brushed it off.
BUT IT’S NOT!!!
They are absolutely doing it!
That is the greatest Christmas present this community could have gotten.
Thought that was some kind of weird joke so just brushed it off.
BUT IT’S NOT!!!
They are absolutely doing it!
That is the greatest Christmas present this community could have gotten.
Time to put our money where our mouth was and buy at least one of these new cameras if we know what is good for us.
Even if the first try should turn out to be somewhat disappointing.
Great news indeed, I was super excited to see the announcement yesterday. Coincidentally, I just received my black KX back from a CLA yesterday. Great cameras, can't wait to see what they come up with.It really is great news. I just received a WhatsApp message from a fellow photographer "Pentax!
Developing a new camera means companies see the market growing, which is good for continued film production and expansion. I wish Fuji would continue with Velvia 50 in 120 and 4x5.
It really is great news. I just received a WhatsApp message from a fellow photographer "Pentax!"
I am inferring that they're early on in the journey and any new cameras are a couple of years away at best. I therefore also expect to see people here and on social media demanding their new Pentax cameras from next week and pronouncing that the project has died when there aren't weekly updates from Pentax/Ricoh. The guy in the video does say they might fail. But damn, they're trying. And that's important. It means they see the need for new cameras.
Velvia 50 is in production in 135 and in 120 format. No need to worry about 120.
Thanks for the correction. I just checked B&H and they have none of the 120 in stock. What concerns me is since they're dropping 4x5, is 120 next?
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