Is there anything you wouldn't photograph?

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Lee Shively

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Like DKT, I've also shot a number of newspaper assignments on subjects I would rather not have been involved with. I have also been so involved with the act of photographing, my self-editing went into neutral and I just reacted to events by shooting away. Photographing news subjects was my job so I did it.

But there were other times when I had to question the value of making the photograph. At those times, editors simply didn't need to know. The subjects varied by circumstance. In most circumstances, I had no problem taking pictures of a hysterical person at the scene of a crime or accident. But I had lots of problems taking pictures of grieving relatives during funerals. There are public moments and there are private moments that take place in public. My funeral assignment photos were consistently awful.

I also drew the line at ridiculing people. A photo that poked fun was okay but not a photo that would make others laugh at another person. I remember a specific incident at a feature assignment at a school. Elderly people from a retirement home had come to the school to take part in an afternoon of kite-flying. One very photogenic elderly gentleman was attempting to help a little girl get her kite airborne and they both became entangled in the kite strings. That was humorous and I took the photo. An instant later, the poor man's baggy pants fell to his knees as he was helping the child. I did not take that photograph. As a scene on a television comedy, it would have been funny. Not so in reality.

These days I'm more aware of context of photographs than I was when I was a newspaper photographer. The recent death of Eddie Adams and the resurfacing of the story surrounding his great photograph of the South Vietnamese officer executing a prisoner has shown the need for understanding the context involved in the events that are photographed. Adams essentially disowned the photo although it was a prize-winner. He felt it presented an unfair representation of the circumstances. Since perception is reality, I guess what we photograph can take on a meaning and a life of its own despite our intentions at the time we make the picture. But that's another subject.

Since becoming a "civilian", my photographic life is less complicated. I only take pictures of things that interest me and refuse to photograph anything I don't find interesting.

I had not gotten into this thread until today. I'm glad I finally decided to read it.
 
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Lee and DKT, many thanks for your replies which are both moving yet objective stories. I think this thread may run for a while as new people come on-board and others experience new events. I fear we are entering times of much confrontation and misery, one where many of us possibly for the first time will experience the moral dilemma.
 

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had this dream once

I was working as a staff photographer, so probably overworked at the time, but I will always remember this dream I had: I was driving my car and came across a plane accident. I knew I had to choose, shoot pictures or administer first aid to the victims. I picked shooting pictures (my job) but when I went looking for my lens in the camera bag I kept digging and digging and digging through first aid supplies. I think back then I would really rather help out, be involved and not be a spectator.

As what I won't shoot I have trouble, mental hang-up, shooting people out on the street, without their permission shooting into their personal world. Probably why I'm not at a paper anymore. Would love to have more guts getting my camera in the face of police though.

I think sometimes I need not to shoot the obvious stuff. In other words everything is game, but I need to concentrate on seeing through MY eyes not the cliche. Or maybe I need to develop my eyes?
 

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No, not anymore. As a past forensic/ photojournalist/ scenes of crime officer over the past forty years, I feel I have, been there, done that and got the 'T' Shirt - with the usual mention in dispatches!

So, I consider I have won my right to concentrate on Fine Art Photography- that pleases ME!

Life is now so much better now.....

Oh Yes, Detested, Social, Wedding, Celebrity and Sports reportage so, not the odd one out after all...
 
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Exactly Stan - it's all about context and situation

As a scenes of crime officer and later coroner I photographed things many would probably never like or care to see.

As a photographer/photojournalist I've photographed grim conditions in refugee camps - why? Mainly because no-one was taking any notice anymore and the world had moved it's sentiments and money to next weeks tragedy.

I've also photographed some funerals - because the family wanted me to - especially when most of the (eastern european) family is thousands of miles away.

I've photographed the lives of the mentally challenged - because that's who I was working with and for at the time and they were part of my life and I was part of theirs and I've always photographed the life around me - in part "to make sense of it"

Now I photograph a lot of urban and cityscapes (and a some landscapes) - because that's what interests me these days. But the City fathers hate that I don't show our town the way the toursist brochures do - maybe that's a good reason not to do it...?

Not photograph sex? Gosh - what a load of old prudes...!

But weddings - absolutely - not another damn wedding


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tim atherton said:
Now I photograph a lot of urban and cityscapes (and a some landscapes) - because that's what interests me these days. But the City fathers hate that I don't show our town the way the toursist brochures do - maybe that's a good reason not to do it...?tim
Stan; Tim and tilt-shift, many thanks for your contributions here.

Tim I think that is a perfectly good reason to carry one shooting these. Partly as you say because you enjoy it and also because your pictures are the other truth!
 

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Tim & Tony.
I must say, I expected to be shot to pieces over my rantings.

But no, it seems there is a total sympathectic understanding of our respective functions, very serendipitous! Stan. L-B
 
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Stan and Tim, from my own experience when I spent 4 years in the Force during some very troubled times over here, I have nothing but respect for the work you guys did and still do.

I attended one scene where a firearms officer discharged his weapon into a bed where there was a small child and also being shown the Birmingham Pub Bombing pictures as part of my training which included the crime scenes and the post mortem pictures. I enjoyed working and chatting with the SOCO, but always felt they got the worst end of the job.

I was tempted to apply for position that was available in Devon recently, but it was based in Exeter and there again I think I've seen enough for now.

Btw Stan - My Prova has come through and I start my new venture on Friday 3rd Dec '04 and must admit I'm rather excited :D
 
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Hello Tony.
Congratulations, I am sure, with your communication skills you will be a valuable member of the team. Good luck.
 
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Stan. L-B said:
Hello Tony.
Congratulations, I am sure, with your communication skills you will be a valuable member of the team. Good luck.
Hello Stan, Thank you for your kindness I'll do the best I can :smile:
 
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On the ethics of not taking the picture

After viewing some of the comments...
I wanted to say something about Rusty's thoughts...

Briefly...

I agreee with some of what was said....
However, when a man is at a random location and just happens to have a camera in the trunk of his car....

His motives are entirely "Impure"
More than likely... If I dare to speculate here...
He has Profits in mind and the potential sale of the image.

So... yes. it remains highly unethical to just per random chance have a camera on hand.

Regarding this thread... I had decided long ago.... upon seeing the most disturbing image ever to me published in a local newspaper.... of an anorexic teenager. Graphic beyond description. Privacy. Ethics... there were no words for it. I would never violate a man's dignity in order to "get the shot."
I would Never record a dying anorexic teenager to a photograph. And they claim Psychiatric abuse (I mean "treatment" ... as all "confidential" If it happens behind locked closed doors... it's quite probably illegal.
And there is no purpose in it.
 
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There are many reasons to have a camera handy at all times regardless of the type of photography that you choose. Not all of them are impure and many are quite innocent. You are correct in that much of what goes on behind locked doors is legal, weather it is ethical or should be allowed to happen is another matter.

However the purpose of this thread wasn't to see if people have a moral right to shoot a subject, but to see what people considered moral for themselves to shoot.

Btw Welcome to APUG from the other side of the pond :smile:
 

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...an Amish family, without their permission...and other people involved in an obviously "private" moment (paying respects graveside, etc.), despite their location...."Do unto others" applies to photography, too.

I disagree with the notion that simply having a camera with you implies "impure" motives. Since my newfound interest in the area, I've realized that there are many situations that occur quite sponateously and present enormous opportunity to create some really nice images. Simply having a loaded 35 (or, dare I say it, dig....no, I can't go there...) handy to capture a "moment" does not approach the "impure".

I find that the more interest I have in photography, the more I tend to think in terms of "seeing" photographs in everyday places/situations. To leave the camera home, to be taken out only when I feel or have time to be creative, would be unthinkable. Except for extreme weather conditions(middle of summer, even then I bring it into the office), there is almost always a camera in the car and I'm always looking for the time and circumstance to "fire off a few rounds"...
 

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Single malt scotch. A waste of good scotch, having to make it wait for consumption like that
 

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As much as I'm fascinated by Joel-Peter Witkins' work, I don't have the guts to photograph anything like that. I wouldn't/couldn't actively search for human carcasses, dead dogs etc. and photograph them with props and so on.
 

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a shot i wouldn't take?

"this thread" --- but the damn thing keeps coming back from the dead. its the thread that just won't end.

so what wouldn't i take? i don't know. and this from a guy who spent three years working in a lab printing insurance and evidence photographs, i.e. the dead and the mutilated.

it's important to make a distinction between what photography is, and what we want or make it to be.

and your question is thusly self-limiting: what wouldn't I take.

but the thing is... is not morality known through action. aren't we always surprised through action? isn't that often why we act (or don't act)? walk your talk they say. but isn't it more often that we talk first... hence the cliche?

i mean we don't necessarily know until confronted = until we face doubt and do what we will with that. so then is it you are asking about the limits of doubt?

i doubt myself to photograph anything. i doubt myself to load the film. i doubt the light meter. i doubt my remembering to close the shutter before inserting the film. i doubt my cocking the shutter.

i doubt the whole pont of what i see under the dark cloth; i doubt what i see on the ground glass.

i don't know. i photograph anything. i throw nets into the dark.

afterall, it's the photograph that matters: good or bad, it justifies itself.

does anyone else feel like bystander. like the sap who gets hit by a car?

[please understand that i have not followed the whole thread in it's entirety and am only responding to the intitial question; and responding in a most drunken fashion. if i sound too didactic or pedantic or just enirely off base, well let's just say that i don't entirely mean it. though if if i were to reread all this in a day or three i'd stilll most likely agree. the thing is, my point, my notion, so you know, is to add - and not so much to confront. though that is what we are talking about. what won't you confront?).
 
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It was brought back to life on this occasion by what now appears to be a troll but never mind I'm sure that person will find photo.net sooner or later :surprised:

I agree it would take quite a while to read the whole thing now, but must admit I've found it interesting and quite revealing. Several people have answered from personal experience of having to make the decision as to weather to shoot or not. So I agree that unless you have been in the situation where you had to make the decision every door is open until the telling moment :smile:
 
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A quotation I live by

You jersey guys who live near the big cities always incorporate a little sensationalism into your work.... Bang Bang! Btw-- I have a CPP permit...
You would have made a good 60 minutes guy.
So, you see.... I have nothing against "carrying'
a camera always in the trunk of my car.

A quote I live by:

"I never go anywhere without my camera and a legal pad."
 

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sorry sorry folks for the above comment.

drunk and behind the keyboard is what that is.

thinking outloud when i should really be sleeping things off. it wasn't my intention to be trolling or the like. too much deep thinking with a dizzy brain pan.

it would be great if someone had a delete button.... i can't seem to get the edit panel to come up with that post.

again. sorry. sorry. sorry.
 
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rakuhito said:
sorry sorry folks for the above comment.

drunk and behind the keyboard is what that is.

thinking outloud when i should really be sleeping things off. it wasn't my intention to be trolling or the like. too much deep thinking with a dizzy brain pan.

it would be great if someone had a delete button.... i can't seem to get the edit panel to come up with that post.

again. sorry. sorry. sorry.
Arrrr no need to apologise for anything as I wasn't refering to yourself and you were right about it keep coming to life. Your post was fine in my opinion :D
 
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