Is perfect metering with mechanical 35mm SLRs pie in the sky?

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I have two cameras that I've put some money and love into to get them working really well: an Olympus OM-1 and a Canon FTb. Both have recent CLAs, fresh seals, known-accurate shutter timings, sexy aftermarket leatherettes, and a fair amount of sentimental value. Unfortunately, both also have built-in meters that want PX645 1.35v mercury batteries. Lately I've been digging deep into the many and varied solutions to this problem:
  1. Use a 1.55v silver oxide battery and accept the metering errors and nonlinearity. Non starter for me. I want to shoot slide film.
  2. Use a 1.55v silver oxide battery and offset your ASA dial to try and compensate for the excess voltage. Nope - causes nonlinear readings at the high and low ends of the EV scale.
  3. Use 1.4v, 675-size zinc air batteries with an obnoxiously short activated lifespan. This is my current solution, and I'm unhappy with how many batteries I go through and how often a battery is dead when I've had the camera on the shelf for a few weeks.
  4. Adjust the meter (or pay a professional to do so) using the calibration pots or equivalent so that it's accurate with 1.55v input. Apparently doesn't always work (some OM-1s and FTbs have enough "room" to be calibrated to 1.55v this way, some don't), and I never could get a straight answer on whether this will still result in linear readings at low/high EVs.
  5. Shell out $40 USD for a genuine MR-9 adapter that knocks SR44 voltage down to 1.35. Potentially open to this.
  6. Solder a diode into the meter circuit to accomplish the same thing as the MR-9. This is where I'm leaning. Schottky diodes are super inexpensive, and I foresee no need to ever move away from 1.55v silver oxide batteries for these cameras.
Of course, no matter which route I take, I expect I'll need to go in and calibrate the meter circuit anyway. My research so far has suggested that this basically comes down to filling the frame with an even light source of known brightness (I guess EV12 is the standard for repair techs?), then adjusting it until it zeroes properly at the correct shutter/aperture/ASA combination for that EV. With the OM-1 there's only a single adjustment point; the FTb evidently has multiple so you can fine tune at lower and higher EVs as well. Neither calibration process looks terribly intimidating, as someone who has taken cameras like this apart and put them back together without issue for several years.

One video I watched suggested buying a Neewer LED panel (a video light basically) that had a relatively high CRI (97+), and fine control over both color temperature and brightness. Then set 5500k to match daylight conditions, and use a trusted light meter to find the right brightness setting for EV12. That can then be the baseline to which the camera meter is zeroed (filling the entire frame with the light source). Repeat the exercise as desired at other EVs.

When trying this approach with recommended video light and fresh zinc air batteries (good voltage confirmed with my multimeter at the time of testing), I found that my OM-1 meter's readings were off by roughly a stop compared to my trusted spotmeter. My FTb meter's readings were off by about 2/3 stop, but in the opposite direction.

But here's where it gets frustrating: if I do this same test with a fairly dark, but evenly-lit indoor white wall (EV9, and what light is falling on it is primarly warm LED household bulbs at around ~3000k), then the error between the trusted spot meter and the two camera meters changes by more than 1/3 of a stop for each camera. And if I go outside on my shady front porch and try again on evenly-lit concrete, I get a third set of deltas that doesn't match either of the first two.

The majority of old forum threads, Reddit posts, etc. I have read about 35mm camera built-in meter accuracy seem to have an electrician or two chiming in at some point with words to the effect that "these old meter circuits are pretty crude instruments to begin with, I'd just try to get it more or less within 1/3 of a stop or so and call it good, film is forgiving." And that seems to be where the discussion ends. There are so many possible confounding factors (meter spectral sensitivity compared to film spectral sensitivity, age and condition of CdS cells, differences in nominal vs actual voltage, etc. etc.) that it's starting to feel impossible to get a perfect meter reading from a built-in meter.

And by "perfect" I really mean something very pragmatic: I just want to be able to trust that I can get an exactly correct exposure on slide film every time. An error of 0.1EV is no big deal. But an error of 1/3 of a stop? That could matter, given the right scene. Even as someone who primarily photographs nature scenes in diffuse lighting.

I feel like I'm chasing my tail here. Is my best bet to just pick one of the options for a known-brightness calibration target, zero the camera meter to that, and call it good? Or is there something I can do that would a) result in more consistent and accurate exposures and b) not require me to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on old calibration equipment?
 

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Option 5, then start using camera and observe the negative for reasonable and usable exposure. There really isn’t such a thing as “perfect metering/exposure “. Please do further research into photographic exposure; your criteria will likely loosen to a more reasonable criteria.

TBH, you could do better with a handheld meter and incident light readings.
 

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The problem is that even if your camera gives a "perfect" reading you still have to make manual adjustments for subject brightness if you don't use a handheld incidence meter.

I mainly use a Canon Elan 7E made around the year 2000 and it has the best exposure meter I've ever used, but it still gets exposures wrong on slide film for images that are naturally very dark or very light. Even the latest digital cameras do this.
 

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In the 70s when SLR came of age most pros I knew used a handheld meter for color, slides and negative film. No mater what option you pick for a battery it is still a Cds wide angel average meter. I generally used an incident meter, Weston VI or Norton Director. My newer Minolta A mount bodies with slicion blue cells and Matrix meter in most lighting does as good as a job as my incident meters.
 

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I think it would be useful to take a slightly newer camera that did have the correct battery - for example something that used a S76 battery for center weighted metering - and add that to your meter comparison. You might find that even with the correct battery voltage, over a range of brightnesses the averaging meter and the spotmeter are only within ~ 1/3 of a stop anyway. If so, you can stop worrying about an arduous meter re-calibration process and think about how to mentally compensate for the possible shortcomings of the camera meter, or how much you need to.
 
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To be clear, I use spot metering for all of my medium and large format work, and I'm very familiar with the differences in metering pattern. I have calibrated my B&W process for the Zone System, so I'm not making mistakes like accidentally underexposing because my camera saw a lot of snow in the frame.

But is there a world where I can point my OM-1 at a blank, evenly-lit, gray wall, and it will recommend the exact same Zone V exposure as my spot meter, and then I can point my OM-1 at an evenly-lit gray wall that is a few stops darker, and my camera will once again recommend the exact same Zone V exposure as my spot meter?

Or will unknown differences in spectral sensitivity between the two meters mean that they'll never agree perfectly in all reasonable situations?
 
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I use my Olympus OM1 with the MR-9 and reading match my lightmeter (depending on the light conditions) for most practical uses.

Use a lightmeter if you expect to use slide film.
 

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I'll avoid specific details and recommendations of all you discuss. What I will do is relate how I dealt with this for two cameras. Both were Pentax film cameras, ME-Super. Both were sent to the same repairman for overhauls including meter settings, meaning the same shutter/ev test stand was used for both cameras. And they came back a good 1/3 stop difference in metering. As you say, small but enough to show up in negatives.

So I used different ASA settings on the cameras to adapt. It worked fine and off I went shooting with both bodies without issues. I expect variations, expect to need to do some testing, and expect to need to massage settings for individual samples of the same equipment.

Sounds as if your spot meter is something you trust and that it gives you consistent results. Call it the reference for your system and adjust other readings to match?
 

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Good luck, Been there. I own a newer LX with a wonderful meter that works really well for b&w and color negative film if I try to stay within the latitude of the film. But when I am shooting slide film I use my Pentax Digital Spotmeter with a known gray card. However, even then I don't expect perfect metering and I will often bracket if I feel it is warranted. Here in the mountains in full sun my EV readings can differ dependent on the time of day and possible amount of very high flying clouds.
 

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I'm happy with a MR9 adapter in my F1, for B&W negatives it is accurate enough. If it's too difficult, I'll rely on my handheld meter(s).
 

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I would add “voltage regulator circuit” to your wish list. Filip Dee got these made up. They provide a rock solid 1.35 volts with a bit of necessary hooking up.
 

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@Bill Burk I saw those actually. Does he sell them anywhere, or is this a "go order a minimum order quantity for yourself from a PCB place" situation?

Small enough to fit in some kind of 3D printed battery adapter with an SR44, or will I be doing some soldering?

And if I need to solder it into the meter circuit, how many connection points? The diodes I have en route have 2... haha.
 

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Best of option is to use no meter. It's more fun that way. If you are critical bring a few meters with you. Even when new I believe these camera meters were not accurate anyway.
 

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I would either buy an OM-2 or get some mercury oxide batteries and have the problem solved for the next 10-15 years. There is a site selling Russian produced fresh mercuries. https://mercurycell.org/
And yes, those cameras are precise enough to shoot slides.
 

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Option 5, then start using camera and observe the negative for reasonable and usable exposure. There really isn’t such a thing as “perfect metering/exposure “.
The problem is that even if your camera gives a "perfect" reading you still have to make manual adjustments for subject brightness if you don't use a handheld incidence meter.
Frankly, this is what I always did before I learned it was the wrong way via Internet forums. The meter, incorrect as it apparently was, got me into the ballpark and I used my experience to do the rest. I even shot slides this way (though I haven't shot them in 20 years).

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The problem is that even if your camera gives a "perfect" reading you still have to make manual adjustments for subject brightness if you don't use a handheld incidence meter.

I mainly use a Canon Elan 7E made around the year 2000 and it has the best exposure meter I've ever used, but it still gets exposures wrong on slide film for images that are naturally very dark or very light. Even the latest digital cameras do this.

For slide film expose for the lights and let the shadows fall in place.
 

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The voltage regulator (above) requires a camera with a negative ground. Maybe someone can re-configure one for a positive ground camera like the OM-1. Of course one could try to place the regulator between the battery and the cap or incorporate it into the cap somehow.

My OM-1 works well for me with a zinc cell and exposure index change.
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About 3 decades ago, I did a test with my Olympus OM-1n, using both mercury oxide cell and alkaline cell. Comparing the metered result at different light levels, I discovered that a single offset to correct for voltage difference could NOT be used, because the degree of error using the alkaline cell (at a given Voltage level) was different in bright light than in dim light!
That is when I decided to get a genuine MR-9 that would convert the silver oxide Voltage to a fixed Voltage which mimiced the mercury oxide cell behavior. At the time, there was not yet offered modification of the OM-1 itself so it internally corrected for varying Voltage which was exceeding 1.35V.
Today, there are so-called 'MR-9' adapters which do NOT do any Voltage conversion, but which merely physically permit the use of smaller air cells, which are cheaper to buy but which deplete their life once the air seal is removed.
 
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I paused right when you mentioned taking readings under residential LED lighting, which typically has a wacky spectral output mismatched to any meter's own sensitivity. And frankly, I don't trust any kind of TTL metering for anything fussy like slide film, not unless it consistently agrees with my handheld Pentax Spotmeter readings.

What is more important is simply getting very familiar with the idiosyncrasies of any meter you choose to use. My first camera was an early Pentax H1 with an externally coupled CDS averaging meter. I consistently shot Kodachrome 25 in it under all kinds of outdoor lighting conditions, never bracketed, and can't recall ever botching an exposure.
 
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How accurate were these camera's meters when new with mercury batteries?

The mercury battery served as a stable calibration constant of 1.35 volts. The voltage stayed stable over most of its discharge life. It's hard to state if the meters were "accurate", but the mercury battery provided consistency. And really, that is what you need in a meter.
 

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@Bill Burk I saw those actually. Does he sell them anywhere, or is this a "go order a minimum order quantity for yourself from a PCB place" situation?

Small enough to fit in some kind of 3D printed battery adapter with an SR44, or will I be doing some soldering?

And if I need to solder it into the meter circuit, how many connection points? The diodes I have en route have 2... haha.

Reach out, I don’t know, I think I gave him $100 and he gave me a bunch.

It takes some ingenuity to get it in circuit because you need to have it behind a switch. Three soldering points.
 

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Buy the hearing aid batteries in bulk, and carry spares. I can buy 60 of them for $18.00 CDN.
They are cheap enough that you can make it a practice to start out with a fresh battery each time you expect to do a fair amount of photography.
Then take your time investigating the other options.
If you are using one of those brass adapters that fill out the battery compartment, invest in a second one, so you can have the next battery all ready to go in its adapter, just waiting for you to peel off the tab.
I've used theOM-1 and have used other cameras and other meters both with that approach, and with the approach involving the adapters designed to drop down the voltage from silver oxide batteries, and been happy with the results either way - with slide film.
Two other hints with the OM-1:
1) mark the battery cover in some way so it is clearly indicated, so when you need to switch the battery in the field, you don't get it confused with the cover for the motor drive connection; and
2) find a coin or other similar tool that fits the battery cover slot well and is easy to handle, and keep it in a place near the camera where you can count on it being at hand.
A little sharp blade or small scissors is good as well, when you need to open one of those protective battery packs that hold on for dear life and just won't let go.
 

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I use hearing aid batteries
I would either buy an OM-2 or get some mercury oxide batteries and have the problem solved for the next 10-15 years. There is a site selling Russian produced fresh mercuries. https://mercurycell.org/
And yes, those cameras are precise enough to shoot slides.

I use hearing aid batteries after each use I take the battery out of the camera and tape over the air holes extending the life of the battery a bit.
 
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