The price of a high quality plastic bottle with childproof cap and manufactured to chemical standards along with the detectable mouldings ( for limited vision customers ) is not a 'couple of cents' ...not at all or anywhere near....
Glass would be great, fully recyclable and re-usable and you can get it in green and brown and all different colours and shapes.....
Trouble is... I do not want to buy a million at once and if I buy a lot less I do not want to put the price of my chemistry up by a dollar a bottle ....and I would also rather like to be able to ship it.
Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
HiSoren
A bottle of a P-aminopheno/high pH developer needs to be treated like drain cleaner, locked medicine chest if you have kids. The cyclic hydro carbon is not nice as well even the painkiller.
The modern packages all should have a tamper proof seal (like they were orange juice) and a child proof cap. The seal is keeping the drain cleaner in.
What about a limited run of not bothering Ilford and Kodak with your ideas?
What about a limited run of them like I mentioned? Just like a special limited edition glass bottles all with labels (or better yet with that ink that is permanent on the glass (and maybe some writing space). Sure it would cost more but would be really cool to have
I like the current R09 plastic bottles they don't break if you drop them. I've not had any R09 expire, all a web myth,... Cleaning up a R09 spill a hazard I don't need.Not to belabour the point, but Schott Duran bottles fit your description nicely. The "ink" is actually fired-on ceramic. The bottles have volumetric indices and lots of space for you to write on, if you want. For what it's worth, I store my home-made Rodinal in 250 ml Schott Duran bottles, and they work fine for the purpose. The pouring ring is a super nice feature, as it allows drop-wise pouring without any liquid running down the side of the bottle. That is something you do not get with other wide-mouth glass bottles. Since SD bottles are not that expensive (probably around $4 for a 250 mL, around $8 for 1L), buy a few and they will last you for many years. While you are at it, get a few 1L Erlenmeyer flasks as well. They are the safest vessels to use for mixing or preparing solutions such as hydroxides, as one can swirl the liquid inside without any chance of spillage. In addition they can still be handled after being heated over open flame or on a hot plate, as long as the liquid isn't boiling. For fun, we serve fruit punch and cocktails at our parties in 2L Erlenmeyer flasks (not the same ones I use for chemistry, though!). It usually draws some reaction.
From the perspective of liability, you have to realise what are all the things that can go wrong from the moment a packaged hazardous liquid chemical leaves the manufacturer. It can leak during shipping or in the retail outlet. It can leak after the end user has bought it. A child could inadvertently open the bottle and ingest the chemical, or spill it to have skin/eye contact. The product itself could deteriorate due to oxidation, UV degradation etc. There are plenty considerations when deciding on a packaging solution. So I for one would not expect Ilford to do a limited run on a non-ideal packaging option when essentially what you are looking for already exists, only with a different label on it. Ilford has an excellent reputation - they wouldn't want to harm it with incidents like a child dropping a glass bottle and getting caustic burns.
I like the current R09 plastic bottles they don't break if you drop them. I've not had any R09 expire, all a web myth,... Cleaning up a R09 spill a hazard I don't need.
If you ship badly it is not reputation you lose when some one is hurt.
HiSoren
A bottle of a P-aminopheno/high pH developer needs to be treated like drain cleaner, locked medicine chest if you have kids. The cyclic hydro carbon is not nice as well even the painkiller.
The modern packages all should have a tamper proof seal (like they were orange juice) and a child proof cap. The seal is keeping the drain cleaner in.
The normal plastic screw caps are good for 25 years part full bottle if the supplier has used any of the correct recipes, it does not need to say Rodinal, I used Azol for a long time, longest I kept Azol for was 10 years.
Decanting or filtering is not desirable only dripping into measuring flask over sink or bath is allowed.
There should not be much vapour with the plastic bottle but Id not keep it in a kitchen.
The w spelling is ok for vapour we are not fastidious.
Dear All,
I am, and we are, always happy to listen to customer requests, cannot always do them but it's what we do...and we certainly do not have the exclusive 'right' to good or novel idea's related to our product families....
BUT..... if you look at chemistry it is the number one most complicated of our offerings to bring to market, the legislation alone is eye-watering, and as I am sure you can imagine the regulations are onerous.....and of course, all different, European, American, Australian, Swiss, European ( not part of the EC ) Japanese, then overlaid on that different regulations for products sold in a retail environment and those sold in a professional environment, It just goes on and on and on, and being a responsible company and ISO 9001 registered it all needs to be ( and should be ) strictly adhered to. So you end up with 17 languages, different packaging for different markets, different shipping requirements for different markets.
So to manage this, and all the REACH regulations and Health & Safety aspects of the literally hundreds of chemicals we use in the manufacture of our Photographic Film and Paper products we have one PHD Chemist who manages this exclusively in our business.
We have more prepared artwork and paperwork and change requests for chemistry than all our photographic products put together.
So if marketing ever want to look at 'specials' or additions to chemicals....you have more hurdles to climb than on a conventional product...
If I ever suggested a 'glass' packaging I would be taken into the car park and given a right good thrashing !
Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited.
The ideal glass bottles already exist. Just go to a chemistry-hardware supplier and buy, for example, the Schott bottles mentioned above. There is no need for Harman to go broke re-inventing the wheel!
Glass is class. If dropping is an issue, perhaps a strap for the bottle, sort of like the strap for a camera, could be invented.
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