Introducing ADOX CAPTURA dust binding technology

[mgb74]

Frankly, dust from photo chemicals has not been an issue for me. Or at least a known issue.

But it's heartening to see this type of innovation. Please keep it up.

 

[mshchem]

Powders are easier to ship, don't require expensive packaging, easy to store, don't leak. Especially in the US where we no longer have local retail shops powders are the answer.

 

[trendland]

I am very sad to hear those defeatist words.
- I do not know what to say !
I really am shocked.
- The analog imaging community was still waiting (the legitimate heir to the AGFA Foundation) - and eventually - turned out to be a person (scared, hesitant, shaky).
Oh my God -
- It seems that we were waiting for mirage.
- Who competes with. !
Do you reflect the world and we are walking on the sky? !!!!
- Competitors should be afraid of you, not vice versa.
- You are not weak - you have a mighty weapon that perhaps is not available to competitors, is the weapon of love, yes love analog photography.
- Your Small Business - Why Take Successful Steps?
The reason for success is love and not money and business.
- Love caused God to send you support - get AGFA machine, that small machine at this reasonable price (this is a grant from God) because you deserve that grant because you are working for love.
- I am the oldest man on earth I am from Egypt and I will advise you for free advice - if you give up love you will not succeed.
- In practical and purely economic terms, if you look at the successes that you have achieved with great concentration, you will find that the hand of God intervened to make you succeed.
- Do not worry about competitors, they should worry about you.
You must invest the weapon of love and do not be afraid. You are supported by God and trust me.

Mohmad up to now I did not know you are a preacher man?

with regards

PS : But well done BTW!
PPS : Perhaps it will help a bit for nice pricing!

 

[mohmad khatab]

I think what the folks from ADOX are saying is that the currently marketed products for those equivalent processes are still available and produced in large enough quantities that there is not a market for them to produce a competitive product. ADOX is focused on producing what they can that is a complemet to what others sell, while assuring themselves that they have access to the technology needed to fill gaps.

if the process becomes unavailable- then they would consider making a replacement, assuming their is any film to process.

A misunderstanding occurred ,,
Theoretically assumes that the AP70 & AP44 are identical to the C41 & E6
- I think that there is a perfect consensus 90% but not a perfect match,
I think that the AP70 and AP44 have a special flavor and a different style of color rendering according to the old philosophy of AGFA.
The products currently available in the markets are only (C41) & (E6) and no factory produces AP70 and AP44.

- There is no factory that owns the secret code for the AP70 & AP44 processes - just the property of ADox being almost the heir to the AGFA machine.

 

[mohmad khatab]

Mohmad up to now I did not know you are a preacher man?

with regards

PS : But well done BTW!
PPS : Perhaps it will help a bit for nice pricing!

Hello dear brother
God bless you -
Yes I am a preacher man -
I am almost a fairly Islamic cleric -
I am fasting now - I have not eaten since 16 hours and a half.

 

[AgX]

Yes a big prize awaits anyone who can make a developer pill and/or fixer pill that in tablet form last forever or a very long time, can be kept in a small container like headache pills are and simply added to water when the user is ready to develop a film.

Tetenal makes such since decades.
But as said, I see no great difference in handling to the Adox approach.

 

[trendland]

Hello dear brother
God bless you -
Yes I am a preacher man -
I am almost a fairly Islamic cleric -
I am fasting now - I have not eaten since 16 hours and a half.

No problem to me - I also pay attention to my weight!
Seriously : Hope it will help!

with greetings

PS : Don't drink and smoke

 

[AgX]

From the start I avoided powders and the only solids I used were hypo.

I was quite surprised when I saw my first tin-can (food-stuff like) filled with developer powder (Kodak D-76 ?), in times when european manufacturers long time cancelled tin cans.

 

[pentaxuser]

Tetenal makes such since decades.
But as said, I see no great difference in handling to the Adox approach.

I had not realised that Tetenal still make tablets and as far as I know these were for C41 only and only for the developer. Where can these be obtained now?

Are you saying that a pill/tablet can be made for B&W film development that would allow 1 tablet per film so there no longer remains any worries about storage.

If this is the case then the avoidance of large volumes of water in delivery and the storage of the stock in a darkroom would be of great benefit to makers and users of developers.

If I could take out 1 tablet of say Xtol or DDX from a small container for 1 film and not have to worry about delivery costs and storage of stock solutions then depending on the premium charged this has to be a major benefit especially for a lot of small volume users

pentaxuser

 

[mohmad khatab]

Hello dear brother

Yes No Smoking, no water and no anything!

Now I eat and feel the sea dizziness.
- I agree with the views of the brothers who spoke before me - these theses are very important and useful.
- The debate is really fruitful and very effective.

God bless you all

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

I had not realised that Tetenal still make tablets and as far as I know these were for C41 only and only for the developer. Where can these be obtained now?

Are you saying that a pill/tablet can be made for B&W film development that would allow 1 tablet per film so there no longer remains any worries about storage.

If this is the case then the avoidance of large volumes of water in delivery and the storage of the stock in a darkroom would be of great benefit to makers and users of developers.

If I could take out 1 tablet of say Xtol or DDX from a small container for 1 film and not have to worry about delivery costs and storage of stock solutions then depending on the premium charged this has to be a major benefit especially for a lot of small volume users

pentaxuser

Tetenal stopped them a long time ago for the consumer market but they might bring out new (old) things now that they have new owners.
Having the right amount of active substances is one thing but you also need a certain volume to develop a film. Xtol is a stock solution and if you dilute it you get different results. For DDX your aproach is closer. If we pressed our powders dissolving them would be difficult. We would need to add the "bubble bath" effect ;-)

 

[NedL]

ADOX
you folks are great !

Thank you !

John

+100

 

[Team ADOX]

Our first product with the new CAPTURA technology has been ADOX ADOFIX P II fixer.
We are further increasing our product line with CAPTURA with the next product: Our very popular ADOX ADOTOL Konstant BW paper developer (see attachment).



Further products will come.

 

[mshchem]

That's great. Not only does this keep the end user's darkroom dust free, I would think this helps Adox to keep a tidy shop, maybe avoid dust getting out of the facility. It's just a smart way of formulating product.
So much easier to transport and package powders. There's a savings in fuel, disposal of packaging, huge reduction in the potential for spills. I have a little laboratory propeller mixer. I use powders for everything except rapid fixer. I'm pretty (very fond) of Bromophen. But I look forward to trying this product.
I've started to burn through my Polywarmtone stash, looking forward to buying some nice 25 sheet boxes of Adox PWT.

 

[mshchem]

Tetenal stopped them a long time ago for the consumer market but they might bring out new (old) things now that they have new owners.
Having the right amount of active substances is one thing but you also need a certain volume to develop a film. Xtol is a stock solution and if you dilute it you get different results. For DDX your aproach is closer. If we pressed our powders like they are dissolving them would be difficult. We would need to add the "bubble bath" effect ;-)

I think tablets are silly. I would not buy. Especially if it was a effervescent bubbling concoction.

 

[MattKing]

I think tablets are silly. I would not buy. Especially if it was a effervescent bubbling concoction.

Even if you were an infrequent processor of colour film?

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

That's great. Not only does this keep the end user's darkroom dust free, I would think this helps Adox to keep a tidy shop, maybe avoid dust getting out of the facility.

You are absolutely right. The driving factor was not only to save photographers from (occasionally) inhaling hazardous substances in their darkroom but especially to keep our workers from having to do it every day. We still need the respirators on the initial mixing but after we add CAPTURA we can continue without any masks.
This actually decreases the labour costs in manufacturing which compensates the costs for CAPTURA.

BTW we also changed the chelating agent to a more environmentally friendly version (biodegradable).
We would be interested in feedback if this causes any trouble in extreme calcium high regions.
We do not think so because Berlin water is extremely hard and all is fine here with extra security but in case aynone has any such problem please report.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

We would be interested in feedback if this causes any trouble in extreme calcium high regions.
We do not think so because Berlin water is extremely hard and all is fine here with extra security but in case aynone has any such problem please report.

I'm in a very hard water area, so if / when I use any of your CAPTURA technology products, I'll try and remember to report back.

Tom

 

[mshchem]

You are absolutely right. The driving factor was not only to save photographers from (occasionally) inhaling hazardous substances in their darkroom but especially to keep our workers from having to do it every day. We still need the respirators on the initial mixing but after we add CAPTURA we can continue without any masks.
This actually decreases the labour costs in manufacturing which compensates the costs for CAPTURA.

BTW we also changed the chelating agent to a more environmentally friendly version (biodegradable).
We would be interested in feedback if this causes any trouble in extreme calcium high regions.
We do not think so because Berlin water is extremely hard and all is fine here with extra security but in case aynone has any such problem please report.

State of Iowa, USA has very high Calcium content in water. Most people in my city use whole house water softeners. So my issue is with not Lime but high sodium carbonate . I gave up trying to use "softened" water. I use reverse osmosis water for developers, most photo chemicals.

I think hard water is less of an issue than "softened" .

 

[mshchem]

Even if you were an infrequent processor of colour film?

Never . Especially color. It's marketing nonsense. If you are taking the time and money to shoot color film, or any film you should process by the book. Quite frankly, I don't really understand people that shoot and develop 35mm color film only to scan it. Digital has displaced color negative in 35mm for me.

 

[mshchem]

Even if you were an infrequent processor of colour film?

Matt, here's a compromise. With modern packaging materials I would be open to using a modern version of Kodak's Tri-Chem-Pak. I would prefer liquids for color. The Tetenal liquid chemistry in separate components have excellent storage properties. I might even use blix. I think for E6 a 625 mL (my 1/8 of 5 L perfect for Jobo size) working solution, using the Tetenal chemicals in pouches. Might be cool. Especially if you could buy, at a discount, neat 600mL Jobo bottles to go with your new CPE 3 processor. Instead of people trying to split 5 liter kits. You could get a carton with enough packets for 3, 625mL batches. Enough for 5 or 6 rolls of Ektachrome or Fujichrome per batch.
Couldn't afford how Ilford does this, it would need to be a snip the corner.

Now the big problem, who's got capital to set up such a packaging system? It would need to be done in-house, if you paid a toll vendor it would be too expensive.

Germany is quite possibly the center of the darkroom universe. Between Jobo, Adox and Tetenal. Joint marketing. KITS? ??
P.S. I still love you Ilford and EK.

 

[AgX]

BTW we also changed the chelating agent to a more environmentally friendly version (biodegradable).

Is this chelating technique?
I rather consider this a granulation technique, which involves, lesser and less specific inter-molecular forces.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

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We started ramping up the powder production in our new factory. This gave us the opportunity to finally introduce our long researched and prepared ADOX CAPTURA dust binding technology.
The above image is without and shows how much powder chemistry is dusting upon mixture.
CAPTURA releases the photographer from having to smell and inhale chemical powders while mixing up photo chemistry from powder packaging.
The powder now looks and feels "wet" when it comes from the packaging but it is not. It also keeps the powders from clogging up.
CAPTURA is water solvent, biodegradable and has no impact on photochemistry.
We will be upgrading all powder products to the new technology and we are also preparing more powder chemicals.

See how it works here:




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highly valuable improvement!

 

[lantau]

Matt, here's a compromise. With modern packaging materials I would be open to using a modern version of Kodak's Tri-Chem-Pak. I would prefer liquids for color. The Tetenal liquid chemistry in separate components have excellent storage properties. I might even use blix. I think for E6 a 625 mL (my 1/8 of 5 L perfect for Jobo size) working solution, using the Tetenal chemicals in pouches. Might be cool. Especially if you could buy, at a discount, neat 600mL Jobo bottles to go with your new CPE 3 processor. Instead of people trying to split 5 liter kits. You could get a carton with enough packets for 3, 625mL batches. Enough for 5 or 6 rolls of Ektachrome or Fujichrome per batch.
Couldn't afford how Ilford does this, it would need to be a snip the corner.

Now the big problem, who's got capital to set up such a packaging system? It would need to be done in-house, if you paid a toll vendor it would be too expensive.

Germany is quite possibly the center of the darkroom universe. Between Jobo, Adox and Tetenal. Joint marketing. KITS? ??
P.S. I still love you Ilford and EK.

You mean like this?

https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemis...-digibase-c-41-ready-to-use-kit-3x-500ml?c=28

I used that to develop my first colour films. For trying if C41 was a feasable process for me that product was affordable and did not require any messing around. It's already working strength and it is even separate bleach and fix. I'm using Flexicolor now, but that was a nice start. Rumour is that they are repackaging Fujihunt chemistry.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Is this chelating technique?
I rather consider this a granulation technique, which involves, lesser and less specific inter-molecular forces.

The Komplexbildner is based on regular chelating technique yes but we eliminated the phosphates who were still in since the 70ies.
This has nothing to do with Captura. We generally want to update our recipes to higher ecological standards, if possible.
So two separate improvements to the product.