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A local camera store (Rollies) has got a wonderful half off sale on some filters, and one of them is an intensifier, that is suppose to intensify fall colors.
Now being in the red rock region of Arizona, I wonder if this would work also with B&W film.. has anyone ever tried it?
 

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This page gives you a nice overview what this filter does (and does not). It filters out a certain part of the light spectrum and thereby enhances the perceived color saturation of very specific (but popular) sceneries.

The easiest way for you to find out whether such a filter would work for your purpose is by converting sample images taken with this filter to black&white on your computer.
 

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Red rock will work with black & white. Using a polarizer will intensify both black & white and color with red rock varying with the time of day and Sun angle.
 
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Red rock will work with black & white. Using a polarizer will intensify both black & white and color with red rock varying with the time of day and Sun angle.

Ok.. so it will work with the red rock... and do know and have used a polarizer at different times of the day, and have liked most of look, ... but your not stating to use them together, or are you?
 

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Ok.. so it will work with the red rock... and do know and have used a polarizer at different times of the day, and have liked most of look, ... but your not stating to use them together, or are you?

Yes use a polarizer to shoot red rock and until you learn the limitations take a second photograph without the polarizer when shooting black & white. One can see the difference when shooting color better. Of course polarizers with range finder cameras is another story.
 

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My "Rolleiflex and Rolliecord Guide," printed in 1957 states you should never use color filters with B&W.
 

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I don´t think it will work the intended way either. This kind of filter aims at rising the color temperature by its slight yellow or brownish tint. Works perfectly with slide film, but in B&W it simply becomes an ordinary yellow filter. Please mind that fall colors embrace a lot of different hues from yellow to orange, red and brown, sometimes even purple. With slide film, all of these will be intensified because they are more or less all in the warmer side of the light spectrum. In B&W it will only have an effect on the color that corresponds to that of the filter and it´s complementary. It would be better to use ordinary color filters to differentiate between the different hues of the leaves. Eg. if there are a lot of green and red leaves you could use a blue filter to get the reds one darker, or a red filter and make them appear brighter.
 

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I don´t think it will work the intended way either. This kind of filter aims at rising the color temperature by its slight yellow or brownish tint.

Not quite. Filters intended to rise colour temperature enhance/filter gradually act on a whole spectrum. Whereas those intensifiers act narrow-band.
 

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My "Rolleiflex and Rolliecord Guide," printed in 1957 states you should never use color filters with B&W.

That is a nonsenses statement. True is that in b&w photography strong coloured filters are used, whereas the coloured filters used in colour photography are of the weak type, unless a "pop" effect isc wanted.
 
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Generally, filters designed for color film to "enhance" or slightly warm or shift the colors in the scene have very little effect on black-and-white film.

While the filter you refer to may make red rocks a bit more pronounced on color film, it will likely do very little, and maybe not even what you want, on black-and-white materials.

When I'm photographing in red rock country I am always confronted with the question of how I want to render the red rocks in relation to the rest of the scene. Sometimes, when the red rocks are slightly darker than other lighter sandstone rocks, such as in striated cliff walls, etc., then I may want to darken them. This would generally call for a green filter of some sort.

On the other hand, red-rock spires against a blue sky might want to be lightened a bit and the sky darkened a bit. This would call for an orange filter (or maybe yellow or red depending on the degree of contrast needed).

A polarizer with black-and-white film can be quite rewarding, since it can darken things with reflections on them appreciably. The effect is easily visible by looking through the filter. Just be aware that it is easy to overdo polarizing and that objects without reflections can often look dull and lifeless. (I guess a rock is lifeless, but you know what I mean...).

I'd recommend you do a bit of studying up on the usual colored filters for black-and-white and maybe acquire the basic ones: yellow, green orange, red, plus a polarizer. Then do some experiments with your red rocks. Take a shot with no filter and then all of the above.

You may find that even when using a rather strong filter, the effect on red rocks is very slight. Even though these rocks appear red to us, they are often of rather low color saturation and even a strong filter makes little change.

Good luck,

Doremus
 
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I'd recommend you do a bit of studying up on the usual colored filters for black-and-white and maybe acquire the basic ones: yellow, green orange, red, plus a polarizer.

Yep, been thee and done that, but don't have green, but your right, last year was trying out Arista (Foma) 400 with Hc-110, and at times it would just bloom the sky highlights.. at others, terrific. But it drove me nuts, so this year, trying it again with D-76.. and not a bloom yet.
So went out this morning a shot a series of Coffeee Pot close.. and although I have done this before with an other film.. this time the Polarizer did the best.. and matched the look I liked with Hc-110.
 
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