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I'll throw my recipe into the mix - I can't remember where I sourced mine, but it was definitely an "Instant Mytol" recipe rather than just "Mytol". I adjusted the recipe down to make 250ml of stock strength solution (which I guess is supposed to be essentially equivalent to XTOL stock). Just enough for a single roll of 35mm in my Nikor steel tank. I can just open a "capsule", toss it into 250ml of water, and stir for a minute or so, and then use one shot.

I absolutely love this stuff for Delta 100 and HP5+ in 35mm and 120. Extremely fine grain and full film speed or better. Tons of resolution.

Recipe is found on this page for a 3D printed "capsule" I made to store premeasured ingredients prior to use.
 

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I'll throw my recipe into the mix

Seems to be the same as the one Koraks posted.

Yours, for 250ml

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or Koraks' for 1 litre:

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looks like 4x yours. (Easy for me to recognize, since I always mix 250ml of 1:1 calculated from that second recipe, and it is pretty much 1/2 of every bit of your recipe.)
 
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I'll throw my recipe into the mix - I can't remember where I sourced mine, but it was definitely an "Instant Mytol" recipe rather than just "Mytol". I adjusted the recipe down to make 250ml of stock strength solution (which I guess is supposed to be essentially equivalent to XTOL stock). Just enough for a single roll of 35mm in my Nikor steel tank. I can just open a "capsule", toss it into 250ml of water, and stir for a minute or so, and then use one shot.

I absolutely love this stuff for Delta 100 and HP5+ in 35mm and 120. Extremely fine grain and full film speed or better. Tons of resolution.

Recipe is found on this page for a 3D printed "capsule" I made to store premeasured ingredients prior to use.

Thanks for chiming in. I’ve seen your recipe and was one of the ones I’d been planning to try (and another fellow in the club I’m in uses your recipe and canisters). Nice job!
 

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In case you didn't know already, @relistan's PC-512 Borax uses fewer ingredients than Instant Mytol and is gaining a solid reputation as a XTol-like developer. Merits consideration.

I like PC-512 very much. To be clear, it is not an exact clone of Xtol, in the way that Mytol and Instant Mytol are meant to be. It is more like a cousin. I see it as a brilliant evolution of Pat Gainer's approach to sulfite-free ascorbate developers. Relistan has been able to mitigate the fog and graininess of Gainer's formulas while retaining the high acutance and long shelf life.
 

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I like PC-512 very much. To be clear, it is not an exact clone of Xtol, in the way that Mytol and Instant Mytol are meant to be. It is more like a cousin. I see it as a brilliant evolution of Pat Gainer's approach to sulfite-free ascorbate developers. Relistan has been able to mitigate the fog and graininess of Gainer's formulas while retaining the high acutance and long shelf life.

Out of curiosity, how does PC-512 combat grain without having the sulfite?
 

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Out of curiosity, how does PC-512 combat grain without having the sulfite?

Many of Pat Gainer's ascorbate developers had fairly high pH. One of Relistan's innovations was to formulate that style of developer but with a lower pH. In his article linked below under the heading "What does it look like", he explains the effect of PC-512 on grain.

It's open to debate, but there may be advantages to using a developer that avoids sulfate, such as enhanced acutance.

https://imager.ie/a-simple-phenidone-ascorbic-acid-concentrate-developer/
 

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Yeah my (layman's) understanding is the sulfite is a solvent, so it rounds out the grains and makes them a bit smaller. This results in smoother and less visible grain, but by the same token reduces acutance.

I went down this rabbit hole a bit after reading Edge of Darkness by Barry Thornton. He made some compelling arguments for high-acutance developers. I messed around with BTTB, found I didn't care for it, and ultimately settled on Pyrocat HD for my acutance developer. In medium format and up, particularly with FP4+, I love it. For 35mm I find it... too grainy. Haha. With Delta 100 in Instant Mytol Stock, I find I can get great 11x14 prints from 35mm (assuming good technique, sharp lens near its sweet spot, etc). I haven't found the lower acutance to detract from the viewing experience on the final image too much, but we're well into subjective quality here.

Guess I'm on the "solvent is good for small format film" bandwagon, but maybe one of these days I'll try out PC-512 for 35mm and see how I like it.
 
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Working solution:
For use, dilute 1+19 with water containing 60 g/L of sodium sulfate. The resulting solution matches the activity of stock Xtol. To create something like Xtol 1+!, dilute 1+39 with water containing 30 g/L of sodium sulfate.

To be clear, it should be Sodium Sulphite. 👆👇

It's open to debate, but there may be advantages to using a developer that avoids sulfate, such as enhanced acutance.
 

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I see, would you then mix the phenidone with something like IPA to aid in measurement?

I've had good results by mixing phenidone into propylene glycol (PG), creating a 1% or 2% solution. It lasts 6 months or longer at room temperature.
The quantity of PG in the resulting developer should be low enough to not produce fog.

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Many of Pat Gainer's ascorbate developers had fairly high pH. One of Relistan's innovations was to formulate that style of developer but with a lower pH. In his article linked below under the heading "What does it look like", he explains the effect of PC-512 on grain.

It's open to debate, but there may be advantages to using a developer that avoids sulfate, such as enhanced acutance.

https://imager.ie/a-simple-phenidone-ascorbic-acid-concentrate-developer/
Thanks @bluechromis for the comments and link

Out of curiosity, how does PC-512 combat grain without having the sulfite?

There are a lot of factors that contribute to perceived graininess in negatives. At the top level these are set by the characteristics of the film, of course. Then within those confines the developer can control (fine tune) some of the properties through: control of the pH, control of fog, and by managing the emulsion (e.g. expansion) or access to development sites not directly exposed.

Sulfite was used for this in part because it is already used in many developers as a preservative, it has a noticeable effect on pH, and because it is a mild solvent (exposing more development sites) that also works as a mild anti-foggant.

If you can control the fog without sulfite, and you don't need it a preservative, the question then remains whether or not you can achieve similar results of perceived graininess without compromising acutance too much.

There are so many variables it's hard to describe all the effects and interactions (and that's why we have so many developers!) but what I did was get the pH right down low like XTOL, but that doesn't control the fog. What did control the fog was getting the ratio of the developing agents right. And that also had a noticeable effect on reducing perceived graininess. And there additionally is some positive grain effect of the interaction between ascorbic acid and borates that is sort of acknowledged but not yet explained well publicly (I am sure Kodak knows). In the end the effect of sulfite being added is really small when everything else is working right. But sulfite doesn't mix with glycol, and sulfite in water is much worse at preserving a developer than putting it into glycol.

My view is that Kodak largely used sulfite in XTOL because it allowed for cheap and easy shipment of a developer to be mixed into water, acted as a preservative in powder form in the event of mild water presence, and it produced an image that looked a bit softer, and more like D-76.

Hope it helps
 

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Thanks for the informative post! At the end of the day, did you find PC-512 to get the perceived graininess of the negative down to the same level as Instant Mytol? Or not quite that low? Or perhaps you haven't actually done side-by-sides haha. I'm just curious since I've always been really happy with Instant Mytol, but if I could improve acutance without adding significantly to perceived graininess, that could be a significant upgrade for me.
 
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