I'll throw my recipe into the mix
I'll throw my recipe into the mix - I can't remember where I sourced mine, but it was definitely an "Instant Mytol" recipe rather than just "Mytol". I adjusted the recipe down to make 250ml of stock strength solution (which I guess is supposed to be essentially equivalent to XTOL stock). Just enough for a single roll of 35mm in my Nikor steel tank. I can just open a "capsule", toss it into 250ml of water, and stir for a minute or so, and then use one shot.
I absolutely love this stuff for Delta 100 and HP5+ in 35mm and 120. Extremely fine grain and full film speed or better. Tons of resolution.
Recipe is found on this page for a 3D printed "capsule" I made to store premeasured ingredients prior to use.
In case you didn't know already, @relistan's PC-512 Borax uses fewer ingredients than Instant Mytol and is gaining a solid reputation as a XTol-like developer. Merits consideration.
I like PC-512 very much. To be clear, it is not an exact clone of Xtol, in the way that Mytol and Instant Mytol are meant to be. It is more like a cousin. I see it as a brilliant evolution of Pat Gainer's approach to sulfite-free ascorbate developers. Relistan has been able to mitigate the fog and graininess of Gainer's formulas while retaining the high acutance and long shelf life.
Thanks for chiming in. I’ve seen your recipe and was one of the ones I’d been planning to try (and another fellow in the club I’m in uses your recipe and canisters). Nice job!
Out of curiosity, how does PC-512 combat grain without having the sulfite?
Working solution:
For use, dilute 1+19 with water containing 60 g/L of sodium sulfate. The resulting solution matches the activity of stock Xtol. To create something like Xtol 1+!, dilute 1+39 with water containing 30 g/L of sodium sulfate.
It's open to debate, but there may be advantages to using a developer that avoids sulfate, such as enhanced acutance.
I see, would you then mix the phenidone with something like IPA to aid in measurement?
To be clear, it should be Sodium Sulphite.
Thanks @bluechromis for the comments and linkMany of Pat Gainer's ascorbate developers had fairly high pH. One of Relistan's innovations was to formulate that style of developer but with a lower pH. In his article linked below under the heading "What does it look like", he explains the effect of PC-512 on grain.
It's open to debate, but there may be advantages to using a developer that avoids sulfate, such as enhanced acutance.
https://imager.ie/a-simple-phenidone-ascorbic-acid-concentrate-developer/
Out of curiosity, how does PC-512 combat grain without having the sulfite?
Thanks for the informative post! At the end of the day, did you find PC-512 to get the perceived graininess of the negative down to the same level as Instant Mytol? Or not quite that low? Or perhaps you haven't actually done side-by-sides haha. I'm just curious since I've always been really happy with Instant Mytol, but if I could improve acutance without adding significantly to perceived graininess, that could be a significant upgrade for me.
The original website that published the Instant MyTol recipe is gone, but there is a copy saved in the Web Archive:
There are two formulas that exactly match the ones posted by @Andrew O'Neill in post #11.
I only did a comparison test with the metaborate/glycol version, this had finer grain than the former Kodak HC-110 syrup and also than PC-TEA. I don't think anyone has yet published a test of PC-512 Borax vs Xtol.@Alan Johnson did better grain analysis on several posts in the PC-512 Borax thread. It’s roughly analogous to HC-110 by his tests.
I only did a comparison test with the metaborate/glycol version, this had finer grain than the former Kodak HC-110 syrup and also than PC-TEA. I don't think anyone has yet published a test of PC-512 Borax vs Xtol.
My PC-512 Borax Developer
I wondered if DCM18 [or PCM20] might serve as a long lasting concentrate to replace my syrup HC-110 when it is eventually used up. HC-110 syrup is discontinued. PC-TEA is an alternative but is harder to make up as the ascorbic acid is slow to dissolve in TEA. DCM18- the ascorbic acid dissolves...www.photrio.com
Good example. There is little enough sulfite in FX-55 that it would be there only for its other effects and not for much impact on grain.A bit tangential, but I'll add this bit of data: yesterday I exposed a roll of FP4+ (bracketing exposure by half stops) and developed half the roll in Xtol 1:1 and the other half in another Ascorbate developer, FX-55. In theory they should both act similarly, as both are Phenidone/Ascorbate developers.
I scanned the results this morning, and there is no perceptible difference between the two sets of negatives. The CI is virtually identical, and the grain structure and sharpness/acutance are identical.
Good example. There is little enough sulfite in FX-55 that it would be there only for its other effects and not for much impact on grain.
My eyes are not the best, but it looks that way on my monitor also. I had to blink five or six times, but every time FX-55 looks just a bit different. The tonality is the same for sure. I'm curious to see how your comparison goes between Mytol and PC-512.To my eyes the FX-55 has a very slight edge in perceived sharpness. Could very easily be a matter of film flatness in the scanner, or wind during the exposure, or any other tiny confounding factor, rather than developer differences.
In real world terms, identical.
Maybe sometime when I'm feeling intrepid, I'll shoot some A/B tests with my Instant Mytol recipe vs PC-512.
To my eyes the FX-55 has a very slight edge in perceived sharpness. Could very easily be a matter of film flatness in the scanner, or wind during the exposure, or any other tiny confounding factor, rather than developer differences.
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