On the matter of split grade printing which was a thread's worth quite recently, wasn't there agreement that there is nothing in a "straight" split grade that cannot be replicated by the right grade which is achieved by small adjustments possible with Y or M?
By " straight" I am referring to a split grade that does not involve any dodging and burning at separate grades. The advantage of split grade is that dodging and burning is possible at the 2 grades used?
pentaxuser
For me, one of the major advantages of split-grade printing is not having to determine out what grade to use to get the image I want.
[split grade is] a matter of personal choice. But i do use staining developers...
There is absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with staining developers, and there is a different look to prints made from pyro negatives. Developers affect the HD curve of film; they have to - no developer, no HD curve.
It is the over-the-top rhapsodic claims that are sometimes made for pyro that strike me as woo. Ditto split grade printing (and audio equipment (and wines (and ...))) - all fine things that sometimes fly away to cloud cuckoo land.
For some reason nobody sings illimitable praise to D-76.
Nicholas i was just leaving an opening...as per your post #14.
"Split grade printing is a simple technique with more woo-woo surrounding it than any darkroom topic outside of staining developers."
Nicholas, I don't have any deeply held beliefs about either....it's just a tool i happen to use. The prints work. That's all i really care about. I have no deep seated desire to convert anyone....
How long are you developing your prints? Over the years I've found that recommended development times seem to fall a little short when it comes to getting the deepest black the paper can produce. I usually develop for about twice the recommended time, and the blacks are better.
It one were to compare a split grade print to a grade 2 or 2.5 print, then one would see there is a great difference
No. If you think about how filters work, that will selectively pass magenta while blocking other wavelengths in the light coming through your negative. It won’t be perfect, either. So it will have the same effect as reducing the yellow exposure, but may also reduce the amount of magenta light. It definitely isn’t going to add extra magenta! It’s the balance of yellow to magenta within the overall exposure time that determines contrast.Should I use the Ilford Multigrade below lens filter kit to extra Increase the magenta values.
On the matter of split grade printing which was a thread's worth quite recently, wasn't there agreement that there is nothing in a "straight" split grade that cannot be replicated by the right grade which is achieved by small adjustments possible with Y or M?
By " straight" I am referring to a split grade that does not involve any dodging and burning at separate grades. The advantage of split grade is that dodging and burning is possible at the 2 grades used?
pentaxuser
Anchell ... indicates that it is not necessary to always use the highest or lowest contrast filter when doing split-grade printing.....I've plenty of times used it without using #5 and #00.
. |
Less contrast |
Same contrast |
More contrast |
Make it lighter |
Dodge #5 |
Dodge both |
Dodge #00 |
Make it darker |
Burn #00 |
Burn both |
Burn #5 |
Lots of information and opinions here for you to digest.hi,
I have some question that i want to clarify for myself.
Lately I made a print and I found out that the darker values are not yet fully black.
Following the rule in 'Print';
"Expose for the highlights and control the shadows with contrast."
The enlarger's settings were: F/5.6 , 8 seconds of 120 Yellow filter ,and 13 seconds 130Magenta.
What should i do to get the dark values black? Since I used the maximum Magenta value on my enlarger, I cannot increase Magenta anymore.
Should I use the Ilford Multigrade below lens filter kit to extra Increase the magenta values. Or should i increase the exposure time i use with the magenta filter for example 16 seconds?
you really have to increase the magenta/5 exposure considerably before it starts to significantly affect the highlights.
How different is the sensitivity when using colored LEDs?Assuming a typical incandescent light source and some kind of dichroic or gel filters.
How different is the sensitivity when using colored LEDs?
Fundamentally.
For instance, in my LED setup, I have twice as much power on the green channel than I have on the blue channel. Yet, to get a comparable exposure on grade 0 vs. grade 5, I need to dim back the blue channel by several stops.
Yes, but for split-grade printing the ratios should be the same or close."Your times only work with your set-up."
Pieter, isn't that generally true?
Yes, but for split-grade printing the ratios should be the same or close.
Lots of information and opinions here for you to digest.
Let me just add that your framing of the questions indicates an incomplete understanding of what's happening as far as contrast control of your prints goes. Fix that and you'll be just fine.
...So, "using maximum magenta" doesn't guarantee a good black if you don't give enough exposure time...
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