MattKing
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"Tragedy of the Commons" comes to mind.
Or more generally, people will rarely prefer long term wide ranging benefits over short term individual benefits.
Particularly in commercial or institutional settings.
Why the "ban" on incandescent bulbs? If LED bulbs are better then everyone will quit buying incandescent bulbs and go LED right? What is wrong with letting everyone choose what they want to light their homes with?
CFLs are off the shelves, also. It's a full-on win for the LED lobby. Whatever you say about China, all LED A19 bulbs are loaded with components made in China.
Very sensible to replace a fully-recyclable glass+metal light bulb with one made from a couple of dozen electrical components in a plastic shell. Good for the environment.
But - hey! the Life Cycle Assessment says LED bulbs have a much lower environmental impact. So whatever one may naively think may be completely wrongheaded.
Until landfills are overflowing with unrecyclable LED bulbs.
If you have a group of people openly discussing something, eventually something characterized as "political" will arise.
There's a story that the light bulb manufacturers colluded to make the lifespan of the bulbs shorter. You've heard that, right?
Well, the LEDs in the new bulbs will work for 50000 hours or some such ridiculous number, but the second-rate electronic components that power them won't last more than 5000. They'll soon find replacements that won't last 3000 hours.
Or more generally, people will rarely prefer long term wide ranging benefits over short term individual benefits.
Particularly in commercial or institutional settings.
Why the "ban" on incandescent bulbs? If LED bulbs are better then everyone will quit buying incandescent bulbs and go LED right? What is wrong with letting everyone choose what they want to light their homes with?
Why the "ban" on incandescent bulbs? If LED bulbs are better then everyone will quit buying incandescent bulbs and go LED right? What is wrong with letting everyone choose what they want to light their homes with?
This is the era of big box distribution determining what gets manufactured and marketed for home use, which equates into lowest bidder bait and switch junk, which in turn equates into far more rapid product failure, with consequent replacement purchasing far more often. Home Depot almost single-handedly bankrupted GE's entire consumer lighting division by talking them into making a massive production run just for them, then suddenly backing out at the last minute and awarding it to Phillips instead. Later, GE simply decided to get out of lighting entirely, now that things were becoming a low bidder free-fall. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Others have concentrated on the higher end architectural lighting market instead, where a reputation for quality and service is the key to success. And those kinds of bulbs last a lot lot longer.
But the national mandate toward LED's replacing traditional tungsten bulbs is directly related to our energy grid becoming rapidly outpaced by both growth and climate change.
Add the push for electrified vehicles, and all that extra electricity has to come from somewhere, and any realistic form of energy conservation like low-E lighting factors into that. Here in CA, hydroelectric once supplied nearly all the State's energy demands. But with an exploding population combined with diminished average snow and runoff, hydroelectric turbines are now starved. It's even worse in the Southwest, with the dams on the Colorado River barely filled. Something has to give.
And this is NOT just a political question. They can debate and probably lie about options. But every one of us faces the consequences, whether planning the cost of a trip, or having the power suddenly go out during a darkroom printing session. Heck, ever hiked through a mountain blizzard at night with a flashlight and an exhausted set of AA batteries? A little LED headlamp is so much more convenient.
Ever spend 8 hours using a set of hot lights at your copy stand? They are hot and sweaty, even bad for the artwork, and consume a lot of wattage. LED panels do it cool with low electrical demand, but do cost quite a bit more for decent quality. I bought mid-level LED panels for my own use - about $700 for the pair.
There's a conflict. If LED's reduce demand on the grid, electric vehicles raise it by a lot more. We got to make up our minds.
Don't worry. The fuel not burned by your electric vehicle can a power generator you can use to charge it.
I’m going back to candles at night when my incandescents run out, not a joke
Hit the LEDs with a spectrometer—the light quality is total garbage and should not be legal due to wildlife and human sleep disruption.
All the darkroom lights, refrigerator and appliance bulbs, etc, in the whole world are just a flea on a mouse. Compare that to street lighting anywhere, or routine residential lighting, and that's where the energy savings are realistic. My immediate hometown area - not really a town at all, but a giant river canyon - supplied 80% of the State energy when I was growing up. Most of LA's power came from a single big hydroelectric plant; and now there's a gigantic parallel one deep inside a mountain nearby. A huge power plant tunnel was drilled 21 ft in diameter through solid diorite, far harder than granite, about a thousand feet feet below my own property, seven miles long overall, just for sake of a second power plant using the same dam, among the 10 or so hydro plants in the general area. That river, the San Joaquin, is called "the hardest working water in the world" for a reason. But with the exception of an abundant runoff year like this one will be, many of the turbines have been idle. Where is all the darn electricity going to come from if everyone buys a Tesla and needs an air conditioner just to stay alive as the summers get hotter than ever? Burning more coal? Covering half the earth with solar panels, which require a tremendous amount of energy just to make? There are no easy answers. But tungsten lightbulbs are already standing in the guillotine line. Diesel trucks are being "invited" too. LA should be put on a water and energy diet and learn to live like a kangaroo rat instead, although Freestyle Photo Supply should be exempted.
The problem is the current grid can't handle the additional electric load. So more power plants have to be built to provide the power to charge the electric vehicle batteries.
Someone has to figure out how to run an EV motor with power savings like an LED light has over incandescent bulbs. Or convert sea water to power them.
I tried to research on the internet this but did not find the answer. Are any of these bulbs exempt?
Just trying to figure out how many thousands of dollars in lights I'll need.
Lights in enlargers
Flash light bulbs
Indicator lights for electronic equipment
Automobile lights
Model railway lights
Lights in medical equipment
Lights in densitometers
Flashbulbs
Lights in microscopes
Lights in projectors
I went to Adorama to look for bulbs for my 23c II.... havent used it wtih the plain bulb... it came burnt out..
I was assumed that the 23c II used a PH-111A bulb as the lamp holder says DRAKE 75w 125V
But cant find anything other then PH-211 on adorama and am utterly confused..
But am also confused on how the hell those bulbs are removed from the lamp socket
Your country. All retailers are to stop selling them by August.
They were banned here about 10 years ago and you can still go to the shop and by them and if they dont have the right one you can get it on line for delivery next day. There is probably enough stock to last another 100 years if they stop manufacturing.
Many bulbs, including specialty bulbs, three-way bulbs, chandelier bulbs, refrigerator bulbs, plant grow lights and others, are exempt from the law's requirements.
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