I'm Curious - T grain verses conventional Grain clearing time

[2F/2F]

Nothing new there!

To clarify (or re clarify, rather): Your point was what people ought not say. Your evidence to bolster this point was what trademarks exist...

Then you said that your point was what trademarks exist. Then I said that this was not your point.

Is it so "unbelieveable" that someone read and understood your point, then when you stated that something else was your point, that this person then said that this new "point" was not your point, but was in fact evidence to support your point?

So, I suggest a solution, as I have many times in this thread: You can call t-grained films tabular-grained films. I will call them t-grained films. You don't correct me for using correct terminology, and I don't correct you for not using an abbreviation. Simple.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I know EM imaging.
Too much work and not needed for SEM imaging!

I see no evidence that you know anything about EM or SEM imaging or any aspect of the needs for photographic engineers, nor do I see any evidence that you know what we engineers at Kodak needed. Therefore, I must discount your comments on this matter in re photo engineering.

PE

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Well, as I stated, I say tabular grain. I know usually from context when T-grain is being used generically, but why add possible confusion by using the term? If someone says T-grain I think Kodak.

We could all use "Nikon" to mean 35mm SLR, but would it be better?

That summarizes it for me perfectly!

I'm outta here.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I never said that.

For the third time, I said:

'Delta is not T-grain'

and again, it ain't!

To me, Delat is a triangular T-grain with an advertizing department name put on it.

Don't get me wrong, it is a fine film. I have a brick of it in the freezer and several rolls in the fridge.

PE

 

[Q.G.]

I see no evidence that you know anything about EM or SEM imaging or any aspect of the needs for photographic engineers, nor do I see any evidence that you know what we engineers at Kodak needed. Therefore, I must discount your comments on this matter in re photo engineering.

I see no evidence that you do know anything about EM or SEM imaging.
In fact, quite the opposite: making replicas is too much work and not needed for SEM imaging.
So, though you have missed that apparently, i already have dismissed your comments on that matter the first time i told you that.

 

[Sirius Glass]

:munch::munch::munch::munch::munch::munch::munch::munch::munch::munch:

 

[2F/2F]

Well, as I stated, I say tabular grain. I know usually from context when T-grain is being used generically, but why add possible confusion by using the term? If someone says T-grain I think Kodak.

When someone says T-Max, I think Kodak.

When using the term tabular-grained, one is usually using it in conversation to describe a group of emulsions that are constructed in a similar way: to be very skinny, and to minimize the number of "holes" in between grain clumps; the "holes" being the things that cause what we generically (and perfectly acceptably) call "grain" in a print.

When one is referring specifically to a tabular-grained film made by Kodak, one usually refers to the name of the line of films, i.e. T-Max, as opposed to using the Kodak trademark for tabular-grained, e.g. Kodak's T-Grained technology. If we are talking about a Kodak tabular grained film, we say something like, "I want to shoot a roll of T-Max for this project," not "I want to shoot [trademarked] T-Grained film for this project."

If one simply wishes to use a roll of a film that uses tabular-grain technology for a project - not specifically T-Max - one usually says something like, "I want to shoot a roll of a t-grained film for this project. Which t-grained ISO 400 film would you recommend? T-Max, Delta, or Acros?"

So, it is the name of the line of films that is used to distinguish them between one manufacturer and another, not the trademarked names of the technology that are used by the respective film manufacturers.

One would usually use the trademarked term, T-Grained, when discussing the specifics of Kodak's T-Max emulsion compared to any of the other brands' tabular-grain technology - e.g. Fuji's Sigma Crystal technology - not usually when discussing images themselves.

...all of which is why I think it is so silly to tell people that the abbreviation for tabular-grained is unacceptable. The correction has no practical application.

We could all use "Nikon" to mean 35mm SLR, but would it be better?

...and I do, as did many when Nikon first took over the world in the late fifties and the sixties. It is better when I want to use a shorthand term that means "35mm SLR" instead of saying "35mm SLR."

 

[Photo Engineer]

IMHO, both Kodak and Ilford make excellent T-grain film albeit some of them in different formats regarding crystal habit.

Why argue. If it works for you, it works.

PE

 

[lxdude]

When someone says T-Max, I think Kodak.

When using the term tabular-grained, one is usually using it in conversation to describe a group of emulsions that are constructed in a similar way: to be very skinny, and to minimize the number of "holes" in between grain clumps; the "holes" being the things that cause what we generically (and perfectly acceptably) call "grain" in a print.




When one is referring specifically to a tabular-grained film made by Kodak, one usually refers to the name of the line of films, i.e. T-Max, as opposed to using the Kodak trademark for tabular-grained, e.g. Kodak's T-Grained technology. If we are talking about a Kodak tabular grained film, we say something like, "I want to shoot a roll of T-Max for this project," not "I want to shoot [trademarked] T-Grained film for this project."

If one simply wishes to use a roll of a film that uses tabular-grain technology for a project - not specifically T-Max - one usually says something like, "I want to shoot a roll of a t-grained film for this project. Which t-grained ISO 400 film would you recommend? T-Max, Delta, or Acros?"

So, it is the name of the line of films that is used to distinguish them between one manufacturer and another, not the trademarked names of the technology that are used by the respective film manufacturers.

One would usually use the trademarked term, T-Grained, when discussing the specifics of Kodak's T-Max emulsion compared to any of the other brands' tabular-grain technology - e.g. Fuji's Sigma Crystal technology - not usually when discussing images themselves.

...all of which is why I think it is so silly to tell people that the abbreviation for tabular-grained is unacceptable. The correction has no practical application.



...and I do, as did many when Nikon first took over the world in the late fifties and the sixties. It is better when I want to use a shorthand term that means "35mm SLR" instead of saying "35mm SLR."

:eek::eek::eek:I GIVE! I GIVE!! Call it what you want, just MAKE IT STOP!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

There's a legitimate question in this thread, and the back-and-forth started out in good enough humor, but it's starting to get personal and to go off the rails. Time out.