I'm a Street Photographer, Not a Pervert . . .

[StoneNYC]

I think he keeps things fresh, man. Say I the senior about the junior member. He just needs to be schooled a bit.


Sorry. When I'm tired I get pun-chy. It's groan bad.

naw that wasn't even half as punchy as I get sometimes haha Cheers!


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Perhaps perversely, I think Stone performs an admirable service for all APUG members. That if you can handle his outspoken approach, you will find yourself unexpectedly steeled and sharpened for that next eventual dreaded live customer service telephone call to ANY of the New York photographic retailers.

Maybe Adorama/B&H quietly pays his yearly APUG subscription??

:eek:

Ken

 

[Steve Smith]

And here I was thinking your posts couldn't get any more sophomoric.

What does that mean?


Steve.

 

[lxdude]

Yes, Stone stirs up us old pharts a bit. Which is a good thing, IMO.

I'm really glad for the young blood here. Otherwise, in another decade or so, Sean would have to set up a prostate forum just to get us to keep the other forums on topic!

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Otherwise, in another decade or so, Sean would have to set up a prostate forum just to get us to keep the other forums on topic!

 

[Toffle]

What does that mean?


Steve.

It means that Stone has displayed the lowest of high-school mentality in his assumption of the size and shape of an unseen woman's bottom, along with an attempt to transfer ownership of the issue to "fat and ugly" women, who are insecure and jealous of the attention paid to attractive women. Now his friends are scrambling to redeem his honour and to dignify his comments. This is not possible. If Stone wants to prove that he is above Dinesh's assessment, he should make a full apology to members of this forum and to women in general for his revolting remarks and attitude. For my part, I am disgusted, and feel sorry for any woman who finds herself in front of his misogynistic lens.

Are you listening, Stone?

 

[Tom1956]

I will be glad when I finally get well from this prostatitis that has made me a shut-in to a computer, instead of out there having fun and doing film photography. I am utterly annoyed at the political correctness and feigned offense on any particular internet page I visit. I get it on the TV, the computer, everywhere. I'm SICK of politically-correct thought police.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Now his friends are scrambling to redeem his honour and to dignify his comments.

Or... Perhaps just trying to lighten things up in a thread that has drifted way off center line.

Personal maturity can't be taught, learned, shamed, or punished into existence. Nor can a perscription for it be written and pills taken to get it. No one is born with it. And some will pass on still without it.

By definition, there is one and only one possible avenue of acquisition. The passage of time. And the arrow of time cannot be rushed or short-circuited. It is what it is. So we learn to make the course corrections known, sometimes over and over, then wait patiently until suddenly one day the lesson is learned. Or not.

Every parent who has ever raised a child knows this. Every child who has ever matured into a parent knows this...

Ken

 

[darkosaric]

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131942

An interersting poll covering many options for street. Maybe we can get back on topic for this discussion.

I like that conversation on rangefinder forum better than this one we have on APUG. Less aggressive, no rude words to OP, more analytic...

 

[pdeeh]

So we learn to make the course corrections known, sometimes over and over, then wait patiently until suddenly one day the lesson is learned. Or not.

Making "course corrections" does not mean doing nothing and hoping for the best, or indeed smiling indulgently.

When someone says something witless, misogynistic and deeply unpleasant, the way to "course correct" is to tell them what's wrong. Laughing and clapping simply reinforces the behaviour.

Toffle has the right idea.

 

[StoneNYC]

Well at least the OP has the heat taken off of him for a while.

My most juvenile thought is that the posters upset with my comment might only be feeling that way because they feel they represent the type of person I described and therefore are offended.

Secondly I shouldn't have said only women, as the same could be said for any gender who feels uncomfortable with themselves.

Thirdly, I will apologize if I offended anyone, but I won't apologize for what I said, just because you don't like what I said doesn't mean it isn't correct or that I should feel remorse. I don't like that you think in such limited terms that you can't open to the possibility that I might be correct in the majority of my statement, or that my opinion is just that, my opinion, and I have the right to view the world as I choose, just as you do.

Furthermore as I said earlier, no one said anything about the image posted of that slovenly dressed street image, yet someone might actually find that look appealing and might dress that way and why is it ok to judge that person and not have me judge the same way, that person in the photo is exactly the shape and size I described, so what's the differences? Simply that I used words to describe them instead of posting a picture.

You can hate me all you want, but I'm not actively attacking you for your beliefs, so who's really the one who's wronging whom?


~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[hoffy]

Actually, What Stone has said in this quote is some rather hard truth. That is, in 2013, it is a pretty safe presumption that any particular woman is most likely to be overweight, as most are. And the pretty ones are so rare that they tend to be hardened of heart from the amount of attention they receive. And let photography itself from past eras lend testimony that people in general have become slovenly in attire and appearance in latter years. As for me, I never cared for photographing nudity, never sought the opportunity to do it, and wouldn't if I could. The only bone I might pick with Stone would be the photography of tattoos. A girl with a tattoo is the best cure for a Viagra overdose that I can think of.
I guess my point here is a repetition of an earlier post of mine in this thread. My kingdom for a time machine.

What an utter load of absolute tosh - and we wonder why so many women have image issues.

 

[clayne]

Anyone here a self-professed pervert who isn't into street photography? Let's turn this on it's head as it's obviously headed downhill from here.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

I feel sick to the core, am struggling to tell myself that I should take the rough with the smooth and that tomorrow is another day.

Just that. You're fine. Move on.

 

[hoffy]

OK, simmered down a bit.....

I have to admit, I quite enjoy street photography. I enjoy images that are made on the street. I enjoy the work of a lot of the greats over the years. I would say, though, I am more of a fan of the Winogrands and Meyerwitz's of the world then say the Hank Carters (Cartier Bresson) and that annoying Bruce Gilden (often suprises me that he still has most of his teeth...). What I enjoy the most about the likes of Gary and Joel is that there was no hiding of what they were out there to do. They did it with a smile on their face and if things didn't work out, they just moved on.

This blog post is well and truly intrenched in my favourites:

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/...grand-can-teach-you-about-street-photography/

The one I take the most from this is rule number 3 - keep smiling and this is exactly where I think that the OP in the first post went wrong. The mother was just doing what a lot of mothers do, protecting their family (how ever media influenced and misguided she may or may not have been). While I get it that if she had a problem she should have said something earlier, the fact of the matter is that she felt threatened. Instead of retorting, would it not have been better to show a level of humility - heck, even say "I'm Sorry"...... As for the comment about perverts having 1500 quid camera's....really? You tell me, what exactly does a perv look like, because the images I have seen of convicted Pedophiles over the last 10 years or so suggests that they start at the very top of society and work all the way down to the gutter.

 

[darkosaric]

fat and had an ugly bum

Here is something for you Stone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67k9eEw9AY

 

[StoneNYC]

Here is something for you Stone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67k9eEw9AY

I'm on set and can't look now but I love George so I'm sure ill love it


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[darkosaric]

Yes a nice forum, but they banned me in a month or so. When I joined them i was all digital and not a film devotee. I had shot film, tons of film, but it was 4 decades ago. Just getting back into film now with Widelux and
SWC. Rangefinder forum only wanted kiss-ass film devotees and did not like my non-film posts.

That is strange - I would expect that for example M8 / M9 user can post on rangefinder forum things about digital rangefinders; it is rangefinder forum, not exclusive analog forum like APUG. Well, anyhow - one forum to be active on is enough for me.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

This thread has made it clear who I'd like to hang with. And who I wouldn't mind photographing falling down a set of stairs.

 

[Dinesh]

... As for the comment about perverts having 1500 quid camera's....really? You tell me, what exactly does a perv look like, because the images I have seen of convicted Pedophiles over the last 10 years or so suggests that they start at the very top of society and work all the way down to the gutter.

Case in point:

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/0...prof-benjamin-levin-facing-child-porn-charges

 

[Dinesh]

........., just because you don't like what I said doesn't mean it isn't correct or that I should feel remorse.

~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Just because you may have noticed certain behaviour in however many instances, doesn't mean it is correct.

 

[BrianShaw]

I like that conversation on rangefinder forum better than this one we have on APUG. Less aggressive, no rude words to OP, more analytic...

... probably due to some fairly harsh editting by the mods.

 

[StoneNYC]

Just because you may have noticed certain behaviour in however many instances, doesn't mean it is correct.

I did say its my opinion

Also, they haven't kicked me off of RFF haha guess I'm not so bad


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[Ming Rider]

... probably due to some fairly harsh editting by the mods.

+1 from a long time RFFer.

That place has taken on a carniverous feel I'm afraid to report.