It isn't clear to me why it is not possible to replenish Microphen from stock as is the case with Xtol or is it but the quantities of stock replenisher is so large as to be uneconomical?
Can anyone help with the "why not"
Because you can't.
It is difficult to design a developer where the needs to replenish chemical activity and to remove development byproducts can both be met by deleting and replacing the same volume of used working solution.
Most replenishers are separately designed chemicals that do a good job of replenishing used chemical capacity, but only do part of the job of dealing with the build-up of development byproducts. That is why the instructions for using them usually limit the amount of replenishment before the working solution needs to be discarded and replaced with fresh.
X-Tol and the recently discontinued T-Max RS are/were exceptions.
The market for special purpose replenishers was mainly high volume commercial processors that used deep tanks. That market is essentially gone. Before X-Tol those processors - using something like Microphen - might get a few weeks - sometimes a few days - of a working solution batch before it needed to be replaced due to the fact that it had been replenished so much. X-Tol was a great step forward for them.
It makes you wonder why Ilford ceased to make a replenisher for Microphen given its great economy when used that way?
A real pity for you, Steven. Ilford's price direct to the U.K. customer is now £8.28 and unless you use it 1+1 or better still 1+3 it remains relatively expensive. This is especially true when using higher speed films such as D3200 where Ilford give no times for anything other than stock. If its a 120 film that only 2 films per litre
That only leaves the re-use method where 10 films can be developed but as Ilford says, some inconsistencies in its action may arise and from another forum called FADU some experimentation may be needed on where in the 10 films an increase in the percentage time may be called for. From film 6 onwards times appear to increase dramatically by the addition of 90%
It isn't clear to me why it is not possible to replenish Microphen from stock as is the case with Xtol or is it but the quantities of stock replenisher is so large as to be uneconomical?
Can anyone help with the "why not"
Thanks
pentaxuser
Ian I am not sure if I have followed all of your reply correctly but are you saying that Microphen in its current form can be replenished with Microphen but it requires the so-called working volume that is used for the development to be 2.5 litres rather than the one litre of Xtol?View attachment 328876
When I used Microphen at school, a few years later, I was buying the 2.5 litre packs of the developer and replenisher. Because of the vagaries of replenishment I wouldn't want to use a working volume of less than 2,5 litres, in order to achieve consistent results.
For comparison see the much larger packaging for Autophen and ID-11.
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Ian
@pentaxuser I haven't explored Microphen outside of the Delta 3200 use case, so I wouldn't know how well it does or does not work with other films. Xtol remains my go-to general purpose developer which I use most of the time. I tried searching photo.net and photrio.com archives but haven't found any meaningful discussions about Microphen.
Ian I am not sure if I have followed all of your reply correctly but are you saying that Microphen in its current form can be replenished with Microphen but it requires the so-called working volume that is used for the development to be 2.5 litres rather than the one litre of Xtol?
Have I got this correct and if so what might the replenishment rate be for each new film, is it back to your 9ml or is it a much higher replenishment rate?
Thanks
pentaxuser
No Microphen can only be replenished by its Replenisher. If it was possible to replenish with itself it would be uneconomic anyway.
Ian
It isn't clear to me why it is not possible to replenish Microphen from stock as is the case with Xtol or is it but the quantities of stock replenisher is so large as to be uneconomical?
Can anyone help with the "why not"
Thanks Ian, a very helpful discussion of how Microphen works. My local supplier lists it as "Special order", so I might ask them to get some just to try it out. I can get some on Amazon, for only 5 times the price!
Aparat, when you present your curves, would it also be possible to label the contrast index of each line to get an idea of what an optimal developing time would be for a normal pictorial contrast range?
Thanks Ian, a very helpful discussion of how Microphen works. My local supplier lists it as "Special order", so I might ask them to get some just to try it out. I can get some on Amazon, for only 5 times the price!
I'm assuming The Store, I said jokingly they should open a branch here in the UK
Aparat I take it that CI is contrast index and if so, to get an index of 0.70 the development time is 5.75 mins The Ilford time is 6:30 but this is for a GBar of about 0.62 which make comparisons of time and contrast very difficult for non technical types such as I
So is there a conversion formula that turns times for a CI of X into a GBar and if so what would a CI of 0.70 become as GBar
If your CI is exactly the same as Kodak's CI and I imagine it is then can I presume that if Kodak gives times for a CI of about 0.58 it would recommend a much shorter time for D100 and Microphen than does Ilford recommend with its Gbar of 0.62?
Ilford gives 8 mins for TMax 100 which suggests a difference of 1 min 30 sec to achieve the same GBar of 0.62 but why this should be is something I cannot work out
As a comparison does Kodak give its own times for Tmax 100 or D100 in Microphen? This may help establish the relationship between GBar and CI
Thanks
pentaxuser
In the film tech sheets that I have seen, Kodak only gives times for Kodak developers. The Kodak developer tech sheets do gives times for films other than Kodak though.As a comparison does Kodak give its own times for Tmax 100 or D100 in Microphen?
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