grade 2 in one paper is never the same as grade 2 in another. You can't even rely on 'close. There is no other way than trying it out but, who knows; you may find another favourite.
grade 2 in one paper is never the same as grade 2 in another. You can't even rely on 'close. There is no other way than trying it out but, who knows; you may find another favourite.Sadly it appears that grade 3 is all that is available at the moment, and how long that will remain in production we don't know. The sales person at Mobberley this afternoon said that grade 2 was discontinued ~2 months ago, and she gave no reason. Does anyone have experience of both grades? I have used grade 2 alone over many years, and it would be helpful to know if the 2 grades are reasonably close on this paper.
Slavich (Russia) makes graded FB papers, available from Amazon.
IIRC under previous owners Ilford had made a commitment not to discontinue any products. So if they have cut this one that seems to be a change in direction for the company.
Quote from Simon Galley circa 2014:
As you know our whole marketing philosophy is to maintain all our ILFORD Photo product range in production...
I bought a 50-sheet box of G2 Galerie glossy when I was a student ten years ago; 46 sheets are still in my darkroom. Considering the amount of printmaking I do these days, it'll be there a few years more...How many of you have used more than a few sheets of G2 in the last decade?
After Argonaught Holdings' redevelopment planning application was rejected in 2015, the last thing HARMAN needs to worry about is space....they need priority on...valuable warehouse space...
It’s my main paper.
Galerie is a bit odd compared to certain other classic and now long-gone graded papers. It needs to be developed longer, apples to apples, to get a decent DMax. But due to this oddity, it also seems to have less wiggle room for contrast interpretation. With Oriental Seagull G, I could do anything equivalent to Grades 2 to 4 by keeping just Grade 3 on hand, and by how long I developed it. It would come out with about the same image color and tone about the same. If you prematurely pull Galerie, it looks anemic; so you really need more than one grade on hand if your negatives vary significantly in contrast. And it won't go terribly far the other direction either, in terms of significantly higher contrast relative to posted paper grade. One more justification for VC papers. It's just that, at the moment, there aren't many VC options for a true cold tone. MG Cooltone is nice in amidol for a distinctly silvery look. But I sure miss the blue-black I could get with Polygrade V and a specific personal MQ tweak. I've got some Berrger Neutral Tone due to arrive in the next few days to see if it's similar or not.
After Argonaught Holdings' redevelopment planning application was rejected in 2015, the last thing HARMAN needs to worry about is space.
Galerie is a bit odd compared to certain other classic and now long-gone graded papers. It needs to be developed longer, apples to apples, to get a decent DMax. But due to this oddity, it also seems to have less wiggle room for contrast interpretation.
The digital fibre paper I use is from what I have been told by the manufacture Galerie grade 4 with an extended red sensitivity, which makes one use it without safelight..Technically, it's not a product, but a variant of one - & it's probably on the borderline of it being worthwhile coating a batch that will sell adequately over a period of 18 months. There have been quite a few changes over the last decade or so (even in the Harman era) in terms of availability of certain sizes & finishes of papers - the Ilfospeed range was drastically shrunk, & most of the RC ranges apart from MGIV can't be had in bigger than 12x16 - which should tell you a lot about the amateur/ professional divide in paper choices.
A rough guess is that a minimum batch equates to at least 200 50 sheet boxes of 16x20 - which needs warehousing etc. If demand on other products is rising (HP5+ for example), then they need priority on the coating machine & valuable warehouse space. I don't doubt that if the MOQ was covered by a retailer or distributors, then they'd coat it. How many of you have used more than a few sheets of G2 in the last decade?
In any case, I'd rather have G4 Galerie if it was possible to do a custom coating run...
The digital fibre paper I use is from what I have been told by the manufacture Galerie grade 4 with an extended red sensitivity, which makes one use it without safelight..
On average, how many sheets in what formats do you use in a 12-18 month period?
Ian - you misunderstood my point. You're apparently referring to changing contrast via changing developers. That's like AA frequently did Dektol vs Selectol Soft. But I'm referring to significant contrast changes using simply differential timing in the same developer, without the image color suffering. Galerie allows a little of that, but has nowhere near the flexibility in that respect as Brilliant Bromide or Seagull G did. You could even snatch develop Brilliant with superb results. Galerie is anemic if you try that. Don't misunderstand me - it's a great paper but not as versatile as certain others. It's also less responsive to toners. It will deepen in selenium or gold, but the kinds of blacks you get are more limited. I never cared much for that greenish-black ala Dektol look typical of AA's prints on Galerie, and generally use amidol myself plus GP-1 for a deep neutral black.
Yes. Adox MCC 110:...Anyone want to make a recommendation for something else to try, available from B&H or Freestyle possibly?...
I agree . Adox MCC 110 and Adox MCC-developer is an excellent combination. I suppose the same goes with Adox MCC 112 ( semi matte ) .Yes. Adox MCC 110:
Try it in Adox MCC developer:
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