Ilford FP4+ Characteristic Curve

Bill Burk

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That’s fine if you’re going to linear intermediate device independent space. The Todd-Zakia curve is finished print, so if someone wants to achieve that shape, I guess it would be at the printer curve.

Drew, while you and I have to expose carefully to use the toe of the film... Adrian could fake it by lifting the shadows in his “intended to be” linear curve... he could deliberately distort it.
 

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So Adrian, I get that you probably won’t need contrast index approaching 0.7 unless someone brings you woefully underexposed film.

You might adopt 0.5 or 0.4 (probably not 0.4). But most of all you aren’t tied to
ASA or Zone System... You get to make the target what’s best for you.

That’s all I wish for all of us.
 
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Yes, but I do also want to make negatives that could reasonably be printed in a darkroom, so it’s about finding that balance that makes best use of the scanner tonal capabilities while still being reasonably nice for analog prints. If I can make it work for both, all the better. For normally exposed negatives, that’s easy, find the time that gives N development for zone system and make a curve that linearizes as much of the toe and shoulder as possible for that time.

It’s when you get into way under or way over exposed film, or even worse, a roll that’s both that things kind of turn sideways. Simply running at n time isn’t doing me or the client any favors, and leads to getting a client who probably won’t return because I didn’t deliver good results.

For most digitization of negative film, less contrast is better as long as you’re not wiping film speed off. The first 0.3 log units of film density above film base plus fog eats half (!!!) of the discrete tonal values you’re going to get out of the scanner. In Stephens case with his Howtek 4500, the PMT ADCs are 12 bits. That’s 4096 discrete tonal units, of which, the first 0.3 log units of density above film base plus fog eats 2048, the next 0.3 eats 1024, and the next 0.3 eats 512, leaving 512 discrete tonal units to handle all the density above 0.9. That’s not very much, as every time you add 0.3 units of density you suck up half the available tonal values left. If you want to avoid visible posterization, you need at least 24 discrete tone values per stop of exposure. If you developed to 0.5, that means each 0.3 log units of density are roughly 2 stops of exposure, which means as soon as you hit 48 discrete tonal units per 0.3 log units of density, you’ll start to see posterization when it’s linearized. For a howtek 4500 that spot is film density 1.8 to 2.1 log. Can you do more than that? Sure. Will it look good? No. The highlights will be chunky and noisy.
 

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People can work in silver gelatin with Grade 4 paper. So you don’t have to stick with Zone System standard N aimed for Grade 2.

In fact, I aim for “between Grade 2 and Grade 3”.

If you wanted, you could establish your development aim at 0.43 to be Zone System N for Grade 4
 
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For my setup, as long as I’m 2.4 to 2.7 log density or less I’m fine. 3.0 probably would probably be OK, but a bit noisy, so I like to keep it topped out at 2.7 if possible.
 
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