Ilford, easy on the price increases...

[georg16nik]

Then why Ilford Ortho or the recent Foma Ortho or Ferrania Orto are all still coated on triacetate base?

The new Foma Ortho 400 is coated on polyester base without antihalation layer – it's in the tech data for the film.

It was probably too expensive to do the engineering for PET.
The light piping issues might be more problematic as well for an ortho film - I don't know.

About 10 years ago I remember how Kodak Tri-X in 135 and 120 were coated on acetate base, while 4 x 5, 5 x 7, 8 x 10 used ESTAR (PET) base.
Acetate is non-archival base, while ESTAR(PET) is archival – per ISO criteria.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

The new Foma Ortho 400 is coated on polyester base without antihalation layer – it's in the tech data for the film.

It doesn't make any difference, still the other films are coated on a triacetate base...

 

[pentaxuser]

Who knows? I don't know that they currently are "in the process".
We don't have the numbers.
And we don't know if the financial question is different for 120 and 135 - the engineering is different for both, as are the volumes.
And if they don't have the capital available to do it all at once, it may be that circumstances will change in the meantime with respect to availability and price for cellulose triacetate.
It may be that they will never have the capital available to do more of this - money is a lot more expensive now than it was just a short time ago.

Thanks Matt

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

About 10 years ago I remember how Kodak Tri-X in 135 and 120 were coated on acetate base, while 4 x 5, 5 x 7, 8 x 10 used ESTAR (PET) base.
Acetate is non-archival base, while ESTAR(PET) is archival – per ISO criteria.

The differences between the applications and the substrate thicknesses mean that the engineering still has to be done for the switch to happen.
In most cases, the work was done with the sheet films when volumes were much higher.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

Personally, I would rather the manufacturers do more frequent, but smaller price changes. Yes, nobody likes price hikes, but would you rather have a small price change every 3-6 months, or a much, much larger one every couple years?

I'd rather it be smaller and more frequent. It lets them stay on top of expenses, and get a real sense of what the market will bear, and in all honesty, the price on the street generally lags behind by 3-6 months as retailers cycle through their inventory, so most of what everybody is seeing on the street right now actually happened a while ago further up the chain.

 

[earthcreed]

I understand that the manufacturers have to increase prices to stay afloat, and then their stockists do too. I would just prefer a heads up so I can stock up ahead of time.

 

[Don_ih]

I understand that the manufacturers have to increase prices to stay afloat, and then their stockists do too. I would just prefer a heads up so I can stock up ahead of time.

In all likelihood, current prices are as low as they will ever be for new film. You can safely assume the price will only go up.
So stock up now?

 

[retina_restoration]

I understand that the manufacturers have to increase prices to stay afloat, and then their stockists do too. I would just prefer a heads up so I can stock up ahead of time.

It happens in January or February of every year, so that is as much warning as you need.

 

[earthcreed]

In all likelihood, current prices are as low as they will ever be for new film. You can safely assume the price will only go up.
So stock up now?

How do you buy a lifetime supply of perishable goods?

 

[earthcreed]

It happens in January or February of every year, so that is as much warning as you need.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I understand that the manufacturers have to increase prices to stay afloat, and then their stockists do too. I would just prefer a heads up so I can stock up ahead of time.

I too like to stock up one films especially recently discontinued film and keep those films from the hoarders.

 

[Don_ih]

How do you buy a lifetime supply of perishable goods?

"Stock up" doesn't necessarily mean "lifetime supply". And a lifetime supply will vary, anyway (as does a lifetime). But if you want one, buy a freezer, then fill it with film.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I too like to stock up one films especially recently discontinued film and keep those films from the hoarders.

"Stock up" doesn't necessarily mean "lifetime supply". And a lifetime supply will vary, anyway (as does a lifetime). But if you want one, buy a freezer, then fill it with film.

Must keep all the film for myself!

Stop the hoarders!​

Must buy more film!​

 

[earthcreed]

"Stock up" doesn't necessarily mean "lifetime supply". And a lifetime supply will vary, anyway (as does a lifetime). But if you want one, buy a freezer, then fill it with film.

Can the paper go in the same freezer as the film?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Can the paper go in the same freezer as the film?

I happen to use the refrigerator just because there is more room.

 

[Don_ih]

Can the paper go in the same freezer as the film?

Yup.

 

[Alan Johnson]

@~30m see Mirko from Adox on the topic of economic film prices

 

[Alan Johnson]

Can't compare Adox to Ilford

To an extent they may be compared IMO. Mirko remarks of cheap film to the effect that it can only work if running down infrastructure, not training new people , no new building or machinery etc.

 

[BMbikerider]

I never knew that cauliflower was a constituent of photographic materials!!

Still about £1 ($1.33 Approx) in UK at the supermarkets, less if you buy at a farm shop