Ilford, easy on the price increases...

[Andrew O'Neill]

What a party pooper!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Too be honest though, I'm tea teetotaler, with the the occasional pot of coffee. Hard to beat doughnuts and coffee.
I just checked the freezer in the garage, and there's a healthy supply of film, up to LF. The fridge in my light room is stuffed to the gills as well, mainly with 120 and 4x5. I've been hoarding since the Ilford scare back in 2005. I have some Kodak in there... old Plus-X, lots of Tri-X, and a few rolls of TMY-2, Panatomic-X... I also have a healthy supply of XRAY film... up to 14x17. I really want to run some 14x17 panchromatic film through my wooden folding clunker, but have you seen what a 25 sheet box of HP5 costs??

 

[Sal Santamaura]

To anyone seriously interested in storing Delta 3200 for an extended period, note that there are two fog inducers one must avoid. The first is cosmic radiation, and the second is radiation from local sources like granite. Note Larry Gebhardt's location: NH. That's New Hampshire, "The Granite State." Homes there typically include a radon mitigation system to get rid of radioactive gas coming from the granite-rich ground they're built on.

Lead shielding will do nothing to prevent cosmic radiation-induced fogging. Substantial quantities of earth/soil can sufficiently attenuate that radiation, but then one is faced with avoiding granite. The optimum storage location, one Kodak is reputed to have used for TMAX 3200 master rolls (I've not been able to confirm that; perhaps PHOTRIO member laser can), is an abandoned salt mine. Space in one of those in Kansas is available for rent here:

Underground Storage - UV&S Inc.

uvsinc.com

On the other hand, it's probably less expensive to just keep buying fresh Delta 3200.

 

[Sirius Glass]

When/where does film go on sale? I've seen the "short dated" stuff here and there, and it wasn't even enough of a sale to offset sales tax.

You have to check each camera store and all the websites on a frequent basis.

 

[pentaxuser]

To anyone seriously interested in storing Delta 3200 for an extended period, note that there are two fog inducers one must avoid. The first is cosmic radiation, and the second is radiation from local sources like granite. Note Larry Gebhardt's location: NH. That's New Hampshire, "The Granite State." Homes there typically include a radon mitigation system to get rid of radioactive gas coming from the granite-rich ground they're built on.

Lead shielding will do nothing to prevent cosmic radiation-induced fogging. Substantial quantities of earth/soil can sufficiently attenuate that radiation, but then one is faced with avoiding granite. The optimum storage location, one Kodak is reputed to have used for TMAX 3200 master rolls (I've not been able to confirm that; perhaps PHOTRIO member laser can), is an abandoned salt mine. Space in one of those in Kansas is available for rent here:

Underground Storage - UV&S Inc.

uvsinc.com

On the other hand, it's probably less expensive to just keep buying fresh Delta 3200.

Ah so no point in a lead-lined box then? As a matter of fact there is a salt mine quite close to Ilford in Cheshire. Maybe Ilford uses part of it as does Kodak for its TMax 3200?

Do you know what it is about a saltmine that makes it an optimum storage for presumably all film but especially fast film?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

Ah so no point in a lead-lined box then? As a matter of fact there is a salt mine quite close to Ilford in Cheshire. Maybe Ilford uses part of it as does Kodak for its TMax 3200?

Do you know what it is about a saltmine that makes it an optimum storage for presumably all film but especially fast film?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Salt mines can be relatively deep, and relatively free from radiation sources.

 

[georg16nik]

Salt mines can be relatively deep, and relatively free from radiation sources.

Also, ideal temperatures and very low humidity, between 40% and 50%

 

[pentaxuser]

Salt mines can be relatively deep, and relatively free from radiation sources.

Thanks Matt. So coalmines are OK as well on that basis? The salt is immaterial in that it is depth that counts?

pentaxuser

 

[Don_ih]

No, it should be salt, since salt is a preservative.

 

[eli griggs]

Opposites attract!

That sounds particularly disgusting, actually. It'd make more sense to wash an apple fritter down with a cider.

 

[pentaxuser]

No, it should be salt, since salt is a preservative.

In that case it's time I immersed my D3200 in packets of salt for 10 years then sold as "new" but at say £10 below the then prevailing price of £100 per roll

pentaxuser

 

[mwdake]

Ah so no point in a lead-lined box then? As a matter of fact there is a salt mine quite close to Ilford in Cheshire. Maybe Ilford uses part of it as does Kodak for its TMax 3200?

Do you know what it is about a saltmine that makes it an optimum storage for presumably all film but especially fast film?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Towns whose names end in ‘wich’ in England are typically associated with salt production and there are 3 nearby to Ilford’s Mobberly location.
Probably the reason they would use salt mines.

Roads and canals in the area appear to be raised up from the surrounding area but it is the surrounding area that has sunk due to the mining activity.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...Do you know what it is about a saltmine that makes it an optimum storage for presumably all film but especially fast film?...

Salt mines can be relatively deep, and relatively free from radiation sources.

Also, ideal temperatures and very low humidity, between 40% and 50%

Both of the above. Key is that salt mines provide an adequate quantity of earth between the surface and the storage volume to attenuate cosmic radiation while not containing or being near material, such as granite, that is itself a source of fogging radiation.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I will take this all with more than a grain of salt, although I only use salt for baking when it is need for a chemical reaction.

 

[MattKing]

I will take this all with more than a grain of salt, although I only use salt for baking when it is need for a chemical reaction.

Plus silver salts, for film photography and darkroom prints

 

[Sirius Glass]

Plus silver salts, for film photography and darkroom prints

But I am not eating those salts. I use them, but not eat them.

 

[snusmumriken]

Towns whose names end in ‘wich’ in England are typically associated with salt production and there are 3 nearby to Ilford’s Mobberly location.

That doesn’t seem right, because at Ilford in Essex the company already had Greenwich and Ipswich close at hand before they moved production to Cheshire. Although both of those places are waterfront towns where salt could conceivably have been imported or extracted from seawater, salt mines are not an Essex thing for geological reasons. According to English Heritage, the Anglo-Saxon ‘wic’ place-name ending usually means a farm or dairy farm. Sorry to pick on an incidental point, but this thread will probably have a long internet life.

 

[pentaxuser]

That doesn’t seem right, because at Ilford in Essex the company already had Greenwich and Ipswich close at hand before they moved production to Cheshire. Although both of those places are waterfront towns where salt could conceivably have been imported or extracted from seawater, salt mines are not an Essex thing for geological reasons. According to English Heritage, the Anglo-Saxon ‘wic’ place-name ending usually means a farm or dairy farm. Sorry to pick on an incidental point, but this thread will probably have a long internet life.

Yes indeed. I'd be surprised if Mobberley was chosen due to its relative proximity to Sandbach but it just struck me as a whimsical correlation and we were already hovering on the whimsical stage in this thread's progress. On the 2 tours of Mobberley in 2006 and 2008 neither problems of nor solutions to cosmic radiation affecting D3200 was mentioned Mind you if a salt-mine is a secret weapon in the fight against cosmic radiation then that might be top secret. After all it has already been mentioned that Kodak was reputed to have used a salt mine (can anyone corroborate this?) Probably not if it's a secret

Here's a thought. I wonder if the idea of using a salt mine formed after some exec or indeed engineer from Kodak saw Dr Strangelove. If the deepest mine-shafts were the potential saviour of mankind and the 1963 U.S. GDP could be re-established in about 100 years following the triggering of the Doomsday machine and the Earth's devastation then is there any reason to doubt the power of deep mines?

Incidentally I wonder if that disc that Dr Strangelove is using as a calculator albeit with some difficulty due to his hand not always doing what it is told was in fact a Johnson exposure meter device that Peter Sellers borrowed from a cameraman on the set?

Now what in the hell has any of this to do with Ilford price increases?. Nothing at all but we've long since left that part behind now and entered the end game of the thread in the same way we did in the film when the Russian ambassador explained the "Doomsday Machine". Seeing Slim Pickens heading towards the earth astride that H Bomb with Vera Lynn about to sing "We'll meet again" is an ending that few if any other films have matched in terms of impact on me


pentaxuser

 

[mwdake]

That doesn’t seem right, because at Ilford in Essex the company already had Greenwich and Ipswich close at hand before they moved production to Cheshire. Although both of those places are waterfront towns where salt could conceivably have been imported or extracted from seawater, salt mines are not an Essex thing for geological reasons. According to English Heritage, the Anglo-Saxon ‘wic’ place-name ending usually means a farm or dairy farm. Sorry to pick on an incidental point, but this thread will probably have a long internet life.

I said typically associated and did not say all towns and I never said that ’wich’ means salt.
I’m well aware of the origin of the name ending ‘wich’ and I am very familiar with the 3 ‘wich s’ of Cheshire having lived in that country for a considerable amount of time in my younger days.
There is also a town in Massachusetts named Ipswich and I have no idea if it has any association with salt other than someone I know from there who also knew of the history of ‘wich’ having an association with salt production.

 

[pentaxuser]

I’m well aware of the origin of the name ending ‘wich’ and I am very familiar with the 3 ‘wich s’ of Cheshire having lived in that country for a considerable amount of time in my younger days.

Me too, I was familiar with several wich's of Cheshire in my younger days. I even married one of them. When mine wiggles her nose however nothing more exciting than a sneeze can be expected

pentaxuser

 

[snusmumriken]

Me too, I was familiar with several wich's of Cheshire in my younger days. I even married one of them. When mine wiggles her nose however nothing more exciting than a sneeze can be expected

pentaxuser

Poor fellow, clearly bewiched.

 

[pentaxuser]

Poor fellow, clearly bewiched.

Nice one Thanks. I had forgotten the name.

pentaxuser

 

[DeletedAcct1]

I hope Ilford will not follow Kodak's path in raising prices too much or else it will begin to lose clients and sales will suffer.

 

[notoriousLT]

Damn seeing old prices hurts QQ

 

[haliderollei]

Damn seeing old prices hurts QQ

I've literally paid 4,90 euro for a roll of HP5 120 2/3 years ago, it's 7,50 now. Enjoy!