Ilford colour film...??

hi guys! this is my first post here!
i have bought a used film loader kaiser rebranded jessop and i got a surprice
It was loaded with a bulk
I ask the seller
he told me it is not certain but could be a Ilford colour film! in the picture there is no indication of iso!
does anyone have info?
i hope i did not ruin and i would like to know how to process it but first at what kind of iso should i shoot it!
Thank you in advance!

Quite a find. If the film belongs to the box then it has to be very old. Ilford has not been based in Essex since the early to mid 1980s. Others may remember when it last produced colour film. On the other hand someone may have had a spare empty drum and decided it was worth storing other B&W or colour film in it.

I'd try loading a few frames, exposing then developing in B&W chemistry. I'd treat it as ISO 50 maximum. As it is unknown there may a case for Rodinal Semi stand development. Even if it is colour there should be edge markings that will tell you what it is. You can then take things from there in terms of chemistry and times etc

Do not expect too much. Best of luck and lets us know how it turns out.

pentaxuser

kiki said:

I ask the seller
he told me it is not certain but could be a Ilford colour film! in the picture there is no indication of iso!
does anyone have info?

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If the film is from the picture box, than perhaps, it is just only half of the bipack - b/w film with blue sensitivity and was made before WWII. The whole colour bipack system:

pentaxuser said:

Quite a find. If the film belongs to the box then it has to be very old. Ilford has not been based in Essex since the early to mid 1980s. Others may remember when it last produced colour film. On the other hand someone may have had a spare empty drum and decided it was worth storing other B&W or colour film in it.

I'd try loading a few frames, exposing then developing in B&W chemistry. I'd treat it as ISO 50 maximum. As it is unknown there may a case for Rodinal Semi stand development. Even if it is colour there should be edge markings that will tell you what it is. You can then take things from there in terms of chemistry and times etc

Do not expect too much. Best of luck and lets us know how it turns out.
thank you, will give you updates!
pentaxuser

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dE fENDER said:

If the film is from the picture box, than perhaps, it is just only half of the bipack - b/w film with blue sensitivity and was made before WWII. The whole colour bipack system:

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hi thanks for your answer! I have now more questions? like what kind of development should i use?
what kind of iso should be exposed?
where can i find more informations?

Alan Johnson said:

From Practical Photography April 1964, Ilfocolor ASA 32 one pound two shillings for a 20 exposure cassette including processing together with a contact strip (only Ilfocolor gives you this).
Enprints 3 1/2 x 5 one shilling and sixpence, also available in 5x7 size.

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I have just spotted this. This is £2 and 12 shillings or £2.60p in post decimalisation terms for full negative and print processing of 20 frames. For the average person a reasonable wage without overtime might have been about £15 per week so one colour film processed and printed at a very small size is about 17% of the average wage which is a massive amount . Taking inflation into account this is over £50 today.

What were we saying about expensive C41 and RA4 processing nowadays No wonder it was maybe 1-2 films max for the summer holidays and maybe one film for Christmas and New Year celebrations. with nothing in between

pentaxuser

BainDarret said:

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A scan of a Dufaycolor 6x6 transparency shot in 1956 when we visited my grandparents in Bristol, England.

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I love photos like this, that show bygone days. The colours may not be lifelike, but what a pleasure to see that snippet of life as it was back then, the clothes and hairstyles. Notice too, no litter and no mobiles.

pentaxuser said:

I have just spotted this. This is £2 and 12 shillings or £2.60p in post decimalisation terms for full negative and print processing of 20 frames. For the average person a reasonable wage without overtime might have been about £15 per week so one colour film processed and printed at a very small size is about 17% of the average wage which is a massive amount . Taking inflation into account this is over £50 today.

What were we saying about expensive C41 and RA4 processing nowadays No wonder it was maybe 1-2 films max for the summer holidays and maybe one film for Christmas and New Year celebrations. with nothing in between

pentaxuser

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I have a processed Ilfocolor film of my late Father's from this period, and the negs were returned individually mounted in card 2x2 slide mounts, and the tiny contact print strip is really too small to properly judge the pictures. Given that this would have cost the equivalent of at least £20 now, and that there is then the fiddle of ordering and paying extra for enprints from the chosen negs, it's really not surprising that the idea was not a success.
I think that Ilford tried to make up for the uncompetitive quality of their later colour films compared with Kodak, etc., by offering these gimmicks, and other such as free binders, magazines and competitions with slide films, when all most users wanted was a no-hassle simple set of reliable quality negs and enprints, or 36 mounted colour slides.

Good points but the plain fact was that B&W photography was not cheap in the 60s and colour, especially prints from colour negs was by today's standards hideously expensive.

pentaxuser

I have made prints from the Ilfordcolor negs mounted in the 2x2 card mounts for some customers. I have to agree with railwayman3 that the quality of the negs wasn't great compared to Kodakcolor negs of the time. Even Agfacolor negs were better. The customers I spoke to, with the Ilford mounted negs, said that their dad had the contact strip but never got prints made as it was too much trouble picking the right negs. With a Kodakcolor or Agfacolor film you just left it in for developing and picked up the finished prints, no messing round.

i have found this book
www.processreversal.org/.../Glafkides_photographic_chemistry_vol_2_compressed.pdf
i will open a new tread if you think im outoftheme here to show you my progress on the Unknown film i found!

kiki said:

i have found this book
www.processreversal.org/.../Glafkides_photographic_chemistry_vol_2_compressed.pdf
i will open a new tread if you think im outoftheme here to show you my progress on the Unknown film i found!

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The link doesn't work, perhaps you can correct it.

Anon Ymous said:

The link doesn't work, perhaps you can correct it.

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maybe now? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...10289892.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0SNPv5RZA8ZJFA1plej6oL

Harry Stevens said:

Perhaps they ran it during the Bonanza ad breaks........

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Or during Hee Haw.

hello!
here is some updates:
i finally loaded all the film in rols and starded from the end because the beginning was burned. resulting 15 rolls
4 rolls 24 exp. (n11-15)
11 rolls 36 exp. (n1-10)
i shot 10 frames developed in ilford multigrade paper development!
water stop
fixed with common fixer

i tried at f8
time 8sec, 4 sec, 2 sec, 1 sec, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8,...
iso 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 250,...

results
the black part of the film is not totaly black and the first 4 frames are almost the same!
from the 5th is under exposed (maybe if pushed) but from 6th the film is almost blank
final considerations:
film can be used at iso 4 to iso 32 with no grain!

pentaxuser said:

Good points but the plain fact was that B&W photography was not cheap in the 60s and colour, especially prints from colour negs was by today's standards hideously expensive.

pentaxuser

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It cannot have been to hideously expensive as I used to finance colour photography in the 1960s from my pocket money - including Ilford colour print film (more usually Agfa, if I remember correctly).

Harry Stevens said:

Did Ilford ever make their own colour film/slide or have they always been a B&W only manufacture and if they did was it any good......

Actually anybody know of any British film manufacture that made colour film/slide other than Kodak would be interested to read about that. I emphasize the difference between companies selling other brands under their name and manufacturing their own film.

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Ilford brochure on their colour films from the late 1950s (as far as I can tell): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BycMFbaY_CsOME5vdUYyaXczUW8/view?usp=sharing

Peltigera said:

It cannot have been to hideously expensive as I used to finance colour photography in the 1960s from my pocket money - .

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Maybe I should have said comparatively expensive. I recall the 1960s as well and I doubt if I could have financed regular film use especially colour film with a set of 5x7 prints.

There is a tendency to look back to the "old days" with rose coloured spectacles. My dad was a favourite for this. He once found he had finished his bicycle puncture repair outfit and gave me 9d to get a new one and told me to buy some sweets with the change. I had to point out to him that it was then a shilling and threepence for an outfit. He gave me the money and shook his head muttering what a shilling and threepence would have bought before the war which was the great phrase used by those who saw the 1930s as a kind of cheap but golden era. I too was sorry about things not being as cheap as his gesture towards me buying sweets disappeared as well
Many years later the cost of the bike repair outfit became was a family joke whenever he went on about how cheap things used to be "before the war" and I used to say that for the price of a puncture repair outfit you could get a Round the World cruise and still.have enough change for a night in the West End

pentaxuser

pentaxuser said:

Maybe I should have said comparatively expensive. I recall the 1960s as well and I doubt if I could have financed regular film use especially colour film with a set of 5x7 prints.
pentaxuser

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OK, I didn't finance regular colour films - my dad would not have let me. As it was, he got very upset if I photographed the wrong things - I used one roll of colour film to photograph details of granite with my new Kodak close-up lens on my Brownie Vecta and I was told that would be the last colour film I would be allowed. But I did use colour quite a bit.

Oh, get real.... ancient history Doofy-color is one thing; what Ilford is realistically capable of coating and making a profit on today is another matter. I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ilfochrome, including transparent version, technically a color film. All that meant is that they formed a corporate merger with Ciba and gained the marketing rights. They never actually made any of it.