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one set of the coating lines went to form Inoviscoat
Which Ilford?
This product probably has nothing to do with Harman and the branch of Ilford that makes B&W analogue photography products.
The Ilford that actually manufactures photographic materials - the one that matters?
This product is being marketed by Ilford Imaging, which has no connection to Harman - who have the licence to use the Ilford name on B&W photographic products.
So "the Ilford that actually matters" has no interest one way or the other in this. There's absolutely no reason why they should mention it in their social media.
I've also read elsewhere that this may be a special product for Australia and New Zealand only.
Did you read the first post? "Saw a posting on IG that Ilford will be releasing a line of color-negative film in July."
My comment was saying that @ilfordphoto - the one that most people think of as "Ilford" - never posted anything about it. It wasn't difficult to understand what I was saying.
It would actually be noteworthy if Harman Ilford released a colour film.
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Funny how different people read replies differently. It was my impression that Agulliver was simply reinforcing your point as he and you agree completely on this announcement having nothing to do with IlfordPhoto in Mobberley
pentaxuser
Funny how different people read replies differently. It was my impression that Agulliver was simply reinforcing your point as he and you agree completely on this announcement having nothing to do with IlfordPhoto in Mobberley
pentaxuser
I should have read it that way.
MattKing
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I'm not totally sure that there aren't some photographic things being made (inkjet paper?) by one or more of the remaining shards of the shattered entity that once was Ilford Imaging. I totally agree though that the Ilford that matters here is the trade name that Harman Technology operates under.
Yep, we here are mostly interested in the products that Harman Technology make under the Ilford (and Kentmere) name. But it's worth remembering that there are non-traditional photo products marketed under the Ilford name with their logo which aren't related to Harman. The "other" Ilford do the inkjet papers and the Ilford colour single use camears, whereas Harman do the HP5+ single use cameras. A limited edition "Ilfocolor" film makes sense for that company. And doesn't do Harman any damage, promotes the Ilford name and logo.
From the gloss on their website, Ilford Imagining is derived from the Swiss Ilford plant which seemed to have had capabilities to make inkjet paper and colour photographic paper - and possibly Ilfochrome (but maybe that was made by someone else - they only mention a final production run of it). They have been bought and sold a couple of times and reformed in 2014 as what they are now - which may be a branding company but may still manufacture paper? They are currently owned by a Japanese photochemical company and an Australian photography equipment importer. It'd be weird if they didn't at least make paper.
They do not make film or cameras.
Harman also makes (or at least brands) inkjet paper - but it is not branded Ilford.
To my knowledge, the Swiss Ilford don't make colour photographic paper (RA4).
The Ilfochrome mentioned is a sublimation print product, where a special inkjet paper image is transferred to the recipient, Ilfochrome plaque, by a heat press.
For anyone interested here is the info: https://ilford.com/wp-dev/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/20160510_Flyer_Ilfochrome_EN.pdf
But that's not what @Don_ih said, though. I think he referred to the original Ilfochrome - the dye destruction material used to enlarge chromes onto. To the best of my knowledge that was actually made in Switzerland, and it only became 'Ilfochrome' because Ilford (at that time still one entity) bought the Swiss Ciba plant that manufactured Cibachrome - which then was renamed Ilfochrome.
Thanks for the link to the new Ilfochrome product; I hadn't heard of it. I wonder how it's been doing in the marketplace. Sounds like a difficult product to sell in the presence of large format inkjet printers that will print on just about any surface (as long as it's reasonably flat).
If that. A lot of the inkjet paper is made by fairly large plants and then sold under various labels.
Of course, it's very well possible that this particular plant kept the capability of producing inkjet papers. Part of the production process of photographic RC papers overlaps with modern inkjet paper manufacturing, specifically the lamination bit where PE films are adhered to a paper base.
To respond to a few of the posts, around the complex history of the 'two' Ilfords and the Marly plant.
By 1959 'ICI' a UK chemical conglomerate held a majority share holding in Ilford.
In 1960 Ciba (Swiss) bought photographic coating company Tellko in Friborg, Swiss and a new R&D site in the city outskirts at Marly. It later added Lumiere (France)
In 1963 Ciba began acquiring shares in ilford as part of a commercial co-operation with Ilford to develop Ciba's dye-bleach print material for making prints directly from colour transparencies. By 1969 Ciba acquired all shares in Ilford. The Marly site is home to the manufacture of Cibachrome plus R&D into other areas such as contact lenses
In 1989 Ciba sold Ilford and all its photographic interests to International Paper (US) forming 'Ilford Anitec'. In 1997 Ilford and its plants in Mobberly and Marly was sold again to a UK based equity fund , renamed 'Ilford Imaging'
In 2004 Ilford Imaging UK (B&W) was bankrupt, leading to rescue and formation of Harman Technology, which can use the Ilford name on its existing products.
llford Imaging Switzerland was sold as a going concern with the 'Ilford' name and was bought by Oji paper of Japan. Howevever it was later sold onto equity investors but was bankrupt and manufacture ceased in 2013 and the Marly site closed. Chugai Photo Chemical (Japan) and CR Kennedy (Aus) acquired the naming rights from the receivers to form Ilford Imaging Europe (registered in Germany) and then relaunched the Galerie papers in 2014. These products are sub-contracted.
Marly Innovation Centre was created in 2014 and the commune agreed a development plan as a mixed use site for residential and business research. The retention of the original buildings enabled Adox to acquire use of the former Ilford imaging Machine E (the medium scale test coating line) from 2015.
marly-innovation-center.org
By 1959 'ICI' a UK chemical conglomerate held a majority share holding in Ilford.
In 1960 Ciba (Swiss) bought photographic coating company Tellko in Friborg, Swiss and a new R&D site in the city outskirts at Marly. It later added Lumiere (France)
In 1963 Ciba began acquiring shares in ilford as part of a commercial co-operation with Ilford to develop Ciba's dye-bleach print material for making prints directly from colour transparencies. By 1969 Ciba acquired all shares in Ilford. The Marly site is home to the manufacture of Cibachrome plus R&D into other areas such as contact lenses
In 1989 Ciba sold Ilford and all its photographic interests to International Paper (US) forming 'Ilford Anitec'. In 1997 Ilford and its plants in Mobberly and Marly was sold again to a UK based equity fund , renamed 'Ilford Imaging'
In 2004 Ilford Imaging UK (B&W) was bankrupt, leading to rescue and formation of Harman Technology, which can use the Ilford name on its existing products.
llford Imaging Switzerland was sold as a going concern with the 'Ilford' name and was bought by Oji paper of Japan. Howevever it was later sold onto equity investors but was bankrupt and manufacture ceased in 2013 and the Marly site closed. Chugai Photo Chemical (Japan) and CR Kennedy (Aus) acquired the naming rights from the receivers to form Ilford Imaging Europe (registered in Germany) and then relaunched the Galerie papers in 2014. These products are sub-contracted.
Marly Innovation Centre was created in 2014 and the commune agreed a development plan as a mixed use site for residential and business research. The retention of the original buildings enabled Adox to acquire use of the former Ilford imaging Machine E (the medium scale test coating line) from 2015.
Homepage - Marly Innovation Center
marly-innovation-center.org
Does that mean that machine is still in the Marly factory and is being used by Adox under contract up to now?
Adox does (at least have the use of) one former Ilford Coating Machine in Switzerland. they had trouble during the pandemic as they could not freely travel between Germany and Switzerland. It is not clear what sort of terms they have to use the machine.
This may explain why references to this colour negative film seem to emanate from Australia.
Do you know what might be necessary for Harman to launch a totally new product under the Ilford name? Given that the agreement you mentioned states "current products". Would that be possible, or would they need to use another name (eg Harman or Kentmere)?
MattKing
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As I understand it, Harman have a license that includes the right to use "Ilford" on anything that relates to black and white, chemical based photography. Thus the "Ilford" darkroom tent.
Yes its at Marly. There are some photos and vids of this on adox website. However production in switzerland is expensive so its used for testing and certain products where the economics are right.
Longer term they are building a coating line from scratch as resources permit at their hq in germany around a former agfa coater.
According to the UK trademark registry, Harman has a licence from Ilford imaging europe (Trademark owner) to use the ILFORD tm for the following categories;
Photographic plates, sensitised photographic films
Paper, sensitised for photographic purposes
Photographic accessories
This does explain why its an ilford darkroom tent but a Harman branded disposable camera loaded with ilford hp5 film. (Cameras being a different category)
Its likely there are some other restrictions as part of the licence agreement so you are likely correct in terms of use for any b&w product. Also its not clear if there is a cost to use the licenses which might influence their use.
With the more prominent Harman co branding maybe one day it will be Harman HP5, certainly they wouldn’t be the first company to change brand name.
also Harman Inkjet paper. as it is not Sensitized.
I would not at all be surprised to see them leaning More on the Kentmere name, as I believe that they own that 100%
Presumably there is a possibility that in the future the licence may expire and favourable terms not be reached? Though that would be daft for all parties, it makes sense for Harman to have their own name visible "just in case". It also makes it easier for them to introduce products that aren't covered by the licence under the Harman name because people will be familiar with it such as the single use cameras. Or there might be future products that aren't "sensitised for photographic purposes" and not classed as "photographic accessories" which could use the Harman name. Is it known if Harman own the Kentmere name outright?
Out there in non-photrio non-aficionado land there's a lot of misunderstanding. I come across people who think Ilford stopped production completely when they went bust nearly 20 years ago and that no new Ilford film has been made all this time. And these are people who do use cameras! Most people who are consumers of film don't know the history of the companies and therefore don't know Harman make the film with a license to use the Ilford name etc. though as things are, it is probably advantageous to all parties. Harman get to use the familiar Ilford name and probably sell more film because of it.....Ilford Imaging Europe probably get a bit of money every year for the license. Win-win as long as nobody tries to screw anyone.
Anyway....is there any more news/info on this "Ilfocolor" ?
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