Ilford 70mm Film Special?

[fatboy22]

Dear all,

I have been in contact with Hewes with regards to fitting their reel into a jobo tank.

Nigel from Hewes, got back to me with the following information ; they are happy to run a small run of 50 units of 70mm reels to fit the jobo tank 2500 series at £30 + 17.5%VAT per unit.

I'd be game for a reel, is there enough of us for a production run?

Regards

Delphine

Delphine,

I would buy a reel or 2 from them if they fit JOBO 2500 tanks. I run a ATL 1500 and they take 2500 series tanks. Would these reels fit on the plastic cores? They would almost have to. Please keep me advised if this goes anywhere. Would love to process 70mm film im my JOBO ATL1500!


Jamie

 

[Nokton48]

I have 30+ rolls of B&W & color 70mm emulsions from Kodak and Agfa in my deep-freeze. What is the latest on this, I would be willing to get some fresh 70mm HP5 and FP4. What is the latest on this?

 

[Martin Reed]

There seems to be sufficient interest in FP4 70mm to justify doing the run in this emulsion first, but as all the orders so far are from the US, we had better establish that the cost of shipping it from the UK is acceptable.

Running the weight past our franking machine, it looks like 1 70mm roll will be approx. £12 Sterling, and 2 cans £19. I'll find out if there are any better deals, and the cost of larger numbers of cans. Also I'll find out what form the packing will take, whether plastic or metal cans, which might have some bearing on the X-ray risk.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...Also I'll find out what form the packing will take, whether plastic or metal cans, which might have some bearing on the X-ray risk.

That should make no difference in x-ray effects. I suggest you check with Simon about how Ilford HARMAN deals with this issue.

 

[keithwms]

If xray is an issue for folks, I'd be just as happy (maybe even a bit happier) to buy Pan F...

 

[keithwms]

P.S. On the other hand, surely the Queen or another Royal Representative will be sailing to the colonies this year. Perhaps One could stow some Fine English Film in One's cabin for orderly dispersal at a receptive port. Were it possible to make this arrangement, One would thus uphold the Most Honoured Tradition of the Company without compromises due to the various effects mentioned herein. Indeed, One does wish to maintain the full integrity of One's Film, Tea, and so forth.

 

[Larry Bullis]

I'm interested in some FP4, 2 rolls would be enough for me now, but of course, I might get into it and wish I'd asked for more.

Unfortunately (for me) some of my preferred films are not likely to happen. My favorite film in 70mm, no longer available, was Kodak's B&W Aerial infrared, which I used as infrared but sometimes w/o filter as a substitute for a fast pan film. I don't suppose anything like that would be possible. Also, nobody's mentioned delta 3200. I'd love that! - if the shipping issues/x-ray could be managed.

Standard factory loads here in the US, as I recall (could go and look in the freezer to find out for sure) were 15'. The reels I use take 1/2 of that.

It is gratifying that there is so much interest in 70mm. I wasn't expecting to see that.

 

[keithwms]

Unfortunately (for me) some of my preferred films are not likely to happen. My favorite film in 70mm, no longer available, was Kodak's B&W Aerial infrared, which I used as infrared but sometimes w/o filter as a substitute for a fast pan film. I don't suppose anything like that would be possible.

As you probably know, aerial panatomic-x (extended red) is still available, fresh. I dunno about aerial IR. Anyway, what is still available is 5", so you'd slit it down the middle and attached a perfed leader to use it on 70mm. I have been contemplating that for use on my rb67 70mm vacuum back.

If Ilford were willing to supply 70mm sfx, I bet that would generate a good deal of interest.

 

[Larry Bullis]

If Ilford were willing to supply 70mm sfx, I bet that would generate a good deal of interest.

That would be great. I would find Panatomic X interesting but given my processing methods and particular needs, not useful enough to motivate me to buy it; especially with the trouble of cutting it down.

 

[Martin Reed]

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If Ilford were willing to supply 70mm sfx, I bet that would generate a good deal of interest.

Sorry to labour the point, but Ilford/Harman aren't going to make any 70mm except as a special order, which then relies on a dealer who is willing to take a gamble with the minimum order quantity. I personally am geared up for 70mm and would like a regular supply of the Ilford films in this format, which is why I'm pushing for it.

So if there ARE enough people interested in SFX 70mm, could they please reveal themselves!

 

[Terence]

I'd have a kid just sell my first born for it. Unfortunately, I'm guessing that is what it might cost.

 

[FilmIs4Ever]

Sorry to labour the point, but Ilford/Harman aren't going to make any 70mm except as a special order, which then relies on a dealer who is willing to take a gamble with the minimum order quantity. I personally am geared up for 70mm and would like a regular supply of the Ilford films in this format, which is why I'm pushing for it.

So if there ARE enough people interested in SFX 70mm, could they please reveal themselves!

Martin, please forgive the high "signal to noise ratio" and "if wishes were horses" phenomena present in this thread.

I am down for a couple of rolls, whether they be FP4 or HP5.

Still think Delta 100 would be better received though.

Doesn't EK still offer Plus-X for sale in the UK in 70mm?

I just don't think this market can support competitive overlaps with such low volume at this point.

Wish you all the best of luck with your endeavour.

Thanks for digging up info on 70mm reels too. I will be getting in touch with them soon.

 

[vitus]

1- month ago I bought in Somerset (UK) Kodak Plus-X Aerographic 2402 70mm x 150ft with exp. date feb-2006 for GBP 95.00/can.
This is very good old stock, but from a long time I didn’t see any fresh 70mm Plus-X on European market.

I’m very satisfied with Ilford 70mm HP5 Aerial Film which was not perforated version, the old stock 3-years after exp. date is still a great performer as a fresh one.

Since 220 is gone I’m very enthusiastic to any action to raise 70mm format stuff.

Martin, I’m very pleased for your APUG action, I left the order for 2-cans of 70mm perf FP4 on your e-mail box.
I’m really interested in 2-cans of 70mm perf HP5 also.

It would be great to see SFX in 70mm format – it’s a dream for me.

Jan Wilhelm

 

[Martin Reed]

Going for it!

Here goes, then. I've put FP4+ 70mm x 30m on the Silverprint site as an order-able item, priced at £80.50 sterling. This is plus VAT (value added tax) but this would not apply to orders going outside the EU.

Shipping to the States; there are a number of ways of shipping, the cheapest being by sea, which can take many weeks and is untraceable. The most suitable, although more expensive, looks like this one, text from the Royal Mail website;

"Royal Mail Airsure Packets
This is our accelerated Airmail service available to certain destinations only. You can send goods, gifts and commercial samples up to 2kg at the Airmail Small Packet postage rate plus the Airsure fee. We put your mail on the first available flight to its country of destination and your Airsure item will be tracked electronically to the point of delivery."

A can of 70mm comes in at 500g, so with a bit of packaging comes into the > 1kg bracket, which is £17.47, inc. insurance. Up to 2kg is £27.47, inc. insurance, which would therefore cover 2-3 cans, and be rather more economical. But if people want to go the cheaper route, I'll work those out as well.

If this method of shipping is acceptable, could those people interested please place an order on the Silverprint site - if we reach orders for 30 cans (half the minimum) we will go ahead with Harman, and the rolls should be made within a few weeks. To get an order on the system you will have to put in C/C details, but no money can be taken until the order is fulfilled, and you can cancel at any time. If we don't reach the minimum, we'll void the orders.

 

[Mike Té]

Thanks, Martin; order placed. Perhaps the packaging will weigh in less than 500g....

Cheers.

 

[vitus]

O.K. Martin, thanks for pushing it.

The order for 2-cans placed on the Silverprint site. It will be the great stuff.
I hope you will reach the minimum soon.

Cheers,

Jan Wilhelm

 

[FilmIs4Ever]

At the current exchange rate, that's $115/ro. Reasonable.

I have to ask though. . . how does one go about making payment in a foreign currency? Is it automatic, and at current market prices through a service like PayPal, or is there a fee?

I'm a bit confused on shipping too. 500g +500g = 1 kg by my reasoning. What does the < 1 kg shipping cost? Is air mail really the best option in this case?

 

[Martin Reed]

At the current exchange rate, that's $115/ro. Reasonable.

I have to ask though. . . how does one go about making payment in a foreign currency? Is it automatic, and at current market prices through a service like PayPal, or is there a fee?

I'm a bit confused on shipping too. 500g +500g = 1 kg by my reasoning. What does the < 1 kg shipping cost? Is air mail really the best option in this case?

If paying by credit card the conversion is automatic, and usually the exchange rate is better than 'tourist' rates.

It's unfortunate that a 70mm x 30m roll scrapes in at only a fraction below 500g - the only 70mm I had available was an Agfa Aviphot roll, which in a plastic pot was 493 grams. With any packaging at all that takes it out of the < 500g bracket. I'm still waiting to see if Ilford 70mm would be in plastic or metal, but can't see it being any lighter. So 2 rolls is definitely > 1kg. If one roll did end up below 500g, the rate is £12.47 inc. insurance.

I'm only thinking air mail, in the sense that storage in transit is less of a problem, and in 4 days the only potential deterioration would be man-made. I'll have a look at the other options again tomorrow.

 

[keithwms]

Thanks Martin! I'll order soon!

 

[Larry Bullis]

Martin,

I've ordered 1 can for now, may be adding to it as I see room develop in the budget for it. The order is a bit confusing because it automatically adds the VAT (which we in the US wouldn't be required to pay) and gives no option for shipping as you specified. I presume that all of this would be corrected when the time comes. Right?

Thanks a lot for doing this.

 

[Martin Reed]

.......The order is a bit confusing because it automatically adds the VAT (which we in the US wouldn't be required to pay) and gives no option for shipping as you specified. I presume that all of this would be corrected when the time comes.....

At the moment we're just looking for a show of hands, so don't worry about the details, we certainly wouldn't be charging VAT on exports outside the EU.

 

[Larry Bullis]

Got it! That's what I thought, just wanted to check.

 

[Martin Reed]

So far, a week later and a total of 6 rolls ordered, so unless something dramatic happens that looks like the end of the affair. I'll maybe do the rounds of other photo sites, and have yet to put it on our own Silverprint site. Seems a shame, have all 70mm users got freezers stuffed with stock from years gone by?

 

[vitus]

Hi Martin !

Yes, seems a shame the market for 70mm long rolls is going to be completely gone.

That’s probably true the 70mm film lovers have full freezers of great old stock.

Because I’m a huge fan of using long roll film my freezer is full of discontinued 70mm goods: Plus-X, Tech-Pan, Aviphot-80, Aviphot-200, HP-5+ and Infrared 2424 70mm stuff. This is all great, 70mm aerial, not so old stock.

Over the years, thanks to photonet and APUG members, and recently mainly through e-bay I did purchase of a lot of 70mm materials and processing tools.

70mm backs, cassettes, bulk loaders, dev. tanks and reels are rare, sometimes expensive compare to regular stuff.

But there are several valid reasons for pursuing this 70mm endeavor.

In the fresh B&W MF long rolls world we have not so big choice now:

1/ Efke R100 70mm x 100 ft. roll non-perf $150/roll available at Freestyle
2/ Rollei Infrared 400 70mm perf 30,5m EUR 83/roll
3/ Rollei Ortho 25 70mm x 30m non-perf EUR 166/roll at Macodirect

May be something else I didn’t mention.
There is also excellent Tri-X 220 (TXP320) – the last one in B&W 220, but it’s a little different league.

Standard FP4+ emulsion should compose well in raising 70mm format.
The price GBP 80.50/30m is right and I can’t believe there is so small demand for that great stuff.

There are only 4 rolls ordered except 2 of mine ??? I was very enthusiastic to that enterprise but it looks really sad now.

Martin, mentioning a possibility of fresh FP4+ 70mm rolls in other photo sites should help as well as advertising on Silverprint main home site

Regardless of my full freezer I’m upholding my order for 2-cans of FP4 I did on Silverprint basket before and I’m going to order 2-cans of HP5 in the future. That’s all I can do to support your action.

My feeling is, we have the last chance to rich excellent FP4+ emulsion in 70mm format.

Maybe I should buy the next, big freezer, break the bank and make the order for 30 cans (half the minimum) to go ahead with Harman ?


Jan Wilhelm

 

[AgX]

Agfa still lists 2 out of their colour films as 70mm DP, both of them as short rolls.