If Fuji does not wish to produce film other than Instax anymore, please just do so

[cjbecker]

As long as they make Acros, that's all that matters to me. If they stop, no big deal. Lots of great films out there to choose from.

Doesn't ilford make Acros ii for them?

 

[DREW WILEY]

More senseless beating a dead horse. Everyone is going to raise prices if they haven't already. No choice. Costs have gone way up. Why not give up photography entirely? Today, Fuji get flogged for still trying, tomorrow Kodak or Iflord will become the villain once again - around in circles we go. I don't like paying more either, especially since I shoot up to 8X10 color film. But it's a fact of life. Maybe we should just schedule an automatic whining thread once a month. It won't change anything!

 

[Marcelo Paniagua]

Well, have spend the better part of the last 20 years without worrying about Fuji film. Lost of interesting film stocks somewhere else. On the other hand, kudos for Fuji for keeping Instax alive. My guess is that Instax may bring more people to the film niche and eventually hit a critical mass so prices get a bit lower (or at least stop being risen so often).

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Who's making this Kodak or Fuji? SO does this mean Fuji is still interested in film?
The Exciting Return of Fujifilm PRO 400H as Rebranded Kodak Portra 400
https://www.thephoblographer.com/20...ifilm-pro-400h-as-rebranded-kodak-portra-400/

 

[brbo]

You got me there for a 1/125 of a second...

 

[Marcelo Paniagua]

Me too. More like a 1/4 second myself

 

[Sirius Glass]

Quack, quack, quack. I am glad that this is not an anti Fuji rant because we all know that it is Kodak's fault.

 

[macfred]

What the duck ?

on Portra ...

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Doesn't ilford make Acros ii for them?

I have no idea but I can find out... Ilford 120 films have a very nice candy cigarette smell as I unroll them in the darkroom (at least they do to me!). The next time I'm working with Acros, I'll check to see if it has this same smell. If it does, then it's Ilford's!

 

[pentaxuser]

Quack, quack, quack. I am glad that this is not an anti Fuji rant because we all know that it is Kodak's fault.

I did wonder about this but now you have confirmed it .....

pentaxuser

 

[Paul Howell]

Doesn't ilford make Acros ii for them?

From I have read, then why not have Kodak custom coat Fuji C200?

 

[DREW WILEY]

Acros II : It appears that Fuji makes and ships the actual emulsion to Ilford/Harman, and then they do the coating, cutting, and packaging. But who knows if that will ever happen again?

Otherwise, every day is April Fool's day for me. What am I going to do with all that film already in my freezer? (which still includes quite a few rolls of original Acros purchased for around $2.50 per roll, not $12.50 !).

 

[faberryman]

Acros II : It appears that Fuji makes and ships the actual emulsion to Ilford/Harman, and then they do the coating, cutting, and packaging. But who knows if that will ever happen again?

Does Fuji no longer have the capability of coating, cutting, and packaging its own black and white film? Is that why they originally discontinued Acros?

 

[Lachlan Young]

From I have read, then why not have Kodak custom coat Fuji C200?

Acros and Delta 100 may have a lot in common (epitaxial construction, iodide distribution control etc, likely number of layers) - and the big differences may be spectral sensitisers & dopants for reciprocity etc - ie at the finishing step of the emulsion make. Fuji's colour materials may be a poor fit for the techniques used in B-38 (Finished Advanced Manufacturing etc) without a total rebuild.

 

[Paul Howell]

"Acros II : It appears that Fuji makes and ships the actual emulsion to Ilford/Harman, and then they do the coating, cutting, and packaging. But who knows if that will ever happen again?"

My guess is that Harman's smaller scale of production allows for a "right size" smaller run than Fuji can manage in Japan.
In terms of so called Fuji 200, Kodak runs a Kodak Gold line, some of it is packaged Fuji, leave off the C off to prevent any claim of dishonest advertising.

 

[McDiesel]

products like C200 and all Fuji slide films are already ridiculously overpriced for what they are

Pricing is actually a science. And you are not in a position to make the statement above because you don't have the data which is required to price something. The statement you CAN make can only address your ability to make and allocate money for your hobby.

I mean, if Fuji wishes to focus on the pharma stuff and Instax, that's fine, just have the guts to do so.

Guts? How about brains? Fuji has calculated that they don't want to sell to the bottom of the market. Presumably they have the data to back that decision. Guts or your lack of funds have nothing to do with it.

Fuji owes you nothing. Snap out of it. Film is not a commodity product it once was. It's a luxury miracle, a premium experience, and it's priced accordingly. People on a budget always have digital options for making photographs.

 

[Fortepun]

Pricing is actually a science. And you are not in a position to make the statement above because you don't have the data which is required to price something. The statement you CAN make can only address your ability to make and allocate money for your hobby.



Guts? How about brains? Fuji has calculated that they don't want to sell to the bottom of the market. Presumably they have the data to back that decision. Guts or your lack of funds have nothing to do with it.

Fuji owes you nothing. Snap out of it. Film is not a commodity product it once was. It's a luxury miracle, a premium experience, and it's priced accordingly. People on a budget always have digital options for making photographs.

I see you like to tell people what to do, or what they can or can not do, highlighted in block capitals just to make sure they get it. Fuji owns nothing to me, sure, I'm just a customer. Fuji is also not at the bottom of the market, nor has it been for a while. Regardless, thank you for letting me know about science, and also how to be full of it.

 

[Lachlan Young]

"Acros II : It appears that Fuji makes and ships the actual emulsion to Ilford/Harman, and then they do the coating, cutting, and packaging. But who knows if that will ever happen again?"

My guess is that Harman's smaller scale of production allows for a "right size" smaller run than Fuji can manage in Japan.
In terms of so called Fuji 200, Kodak runs a Kodak Gold line, some of it is packaged Fuji, leave off the C off to prevent any claim of dishonest advertising.

It may be that Fuji's making/ coating capacity couldn't accommodate the stretch to make what is probably a fairly small-scale quantity of Acros per annum - or that some components in Acros would need to be changed for legislative reasons, but if they provided certain key components (sensitisers, dyes, doctors, dopants to improve low intensity reciprocity), Ilford's emulsion making capability for Delta's epitaxial technology was so close to Acros' that a similar (hence the 'ii' designation) but not absolutely identical material could be made with relative ease by a company who has previously made materials for Fuji. For that matter, the epitaxial emulsion technology appears to potentially allow for a reduction in necessary emulsion layers in colour materials too.

 

[pentaxuser]

Pricing is actually a science. .

Does the science extend all the way down the chain from producer to shop owner? What are the factors governing this science? Some examples of how the factors work towards say the current price of say Fuji Acros II that the consumer pays might be useful to us

I had never thought of it as a science but I accept that various factors come into play so any help you can give in my understanding of this science will be helpful

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Does the science extend all the way down the chain from producer to shop owner? What are the factors governing this science? Some examples of how the factors work towards say the current price of say Fuji Acros II that the consumer pays might be useful to us

I had never thought of it as a science but I accept that various factors come into play so any help you can give in my understanding of this science will be helpful

Thanks

pentaxuser

When I was in business, I tried to find out what others were charging for the same service? It;s hard to arbitrarily know the "right" price. The issue always comes down for me anyway to margins. You know what your costs are more or less. So then the question is how much markup over cost should be applied?

For example, I believe Apple makes around 40% while Exxon makes 10% profits. That's because customers, are willing to pay a premium for Apple products. On the other hand, Exxon is in the oil business. It;s a commodity., No one's going to pay much more for Exxon gas over let;s say Chevron or BP.

I would say the film business is half a commodity and half a premium product. If you don't want to spend more for Tmax 100 get Delta 100. Some people will insist on Tmax no matter what and be willing to spend more. So the film companies have to adjust their prices with all this in mind. I'm sure they make mistakes and have to adjust margins again afterward.

 

[BrianShaw]

In most aspects of business (and other disciplines too) there is a leading of scientific principles/process (hard and social sciences) and art and intuition…

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

In most aspects of business (and other disciplines too) there is a leading of scientific principles/process (hard and social sciences) and art and intuition…

Like taking pictures.

 

[Photomultiplier]

Also interesting (to a certain extent):
https://www-fujifilm-com.translate....tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Also interesting (to a certain extent):
https://www-fujifilm-com.translate....tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

By combining production lines, that means they're shutting done one or more lines. Not good possibly. On the other hand, that might make the production more efficient lowering costs and keeping the product profitable so they won't shut down production entirely. Of course, they already stated that Velvia 50 in sheet film is going to end soon. That's no good because I really like that film and just started to shoot 4x5.

 

[Lachlan Young]

By combining production lines, that means they're shutting done one or more lines. Not good possibly. On the other hand, that might make the production more efficient lowering costs and keeping the product profitable so they won't shut down production entirely. Of course, they already stated that Velvia 50 in sheet film is going to end soon. That's no good because I really like that film and just started to shoot 4x5.

No, all it means is that they're (finally) moving to a single product/ packaging stream for all products rather than separate ones for global and domestic markets. Ilford and Kodak did this a long, long time ago.