If Fuji discontinue all E6 we will see New Ektachrome in 120, 4x5, 8x10 ?

trendland · Nov 17, 2017

Poisson Du Jour said:
Let's just be very blunt and to the point with one thing here. Skip the hysteria over Kodak and concentrate on what Fujifilm is doing.
In E6, Fujifilm is the major player. Kodak doesn't even rate a mention on the radar. Ektachrome is still seen as a non-event by many traditional dyed-in-the-wool consumers of E6 products.

Mid-last year there were murmurings through two distributors that Fuji was working on an exit from analogue products in 2020. I am keeping my ear to the ground with my own distributor. If they do exit, that will cause a collapse of E6 availability, in particular the labs and the chemicals they use. For some time -- a few years now, a trend has been seen for labs to scale down processing availability or cease processing of E6 completely. For E6 to be worthwhile, a large amount of the product must be run through the machinery to keep it going; the process is filthy. The inescapable fact is E6 is diminishing continuously in take-up and processing availability. We should collectively not be holding our breath for Kodak as any sort of saviour for the market, but getting cracking with whatever other E6 materials are available to keep the machines turning. If we don't, we have only ourselves to blame, not the film manufacturers.

Do it.

Aha 2020 thats in the direction I speculate a bit - because I was looking to
the policy of Fuji with "Open eyes" and wonder about....and wonder about...a.s.o.
So they have to hurry up in 2018 ?
Fuji anounced that they prepared several more films to possible disconinue in 2018.
If they are willing to fullfill there task in 2020 they are on the run ?

????
But you are right - to this time we just say: It is not easy to know how Kodak will advance soon.And to many labs it is a situation to highest danger.
But did Kodak not announce they will spend a high sum to prepare own labs with new technology and to make sure a infrastructure to E6 will be established in comparison to the need to Super8 developement?
with regards

PS : Sure such kind of support will not help the local lab in brasilia - for example.

trendland · Nov 17, 2017

Forgetting to say : May be we are also back to the roots - in concern of E6 infrastructure?
Like in the good old days I remember well ?
When the postman ring two times and one has to know :"Yeah ...... my Kodachrome is allready finished"
So that means we are now regarding the final end of a period E6 support is more and more dislocated in each country.
Back to the roots to bigger central labs is also the way with c-41 since a couple of years.

with regards

PS : As a result of this I certainly hope we don't have such a dramatic situation with new Kodak labs like I remember with K14 facilities at the end.
Nowbody can tell precisly at this time.
I swear also Kodak officials are just in speculation about the possible future altough they obviously spent a relative big sum also in market research.

etn · Nov 17, 2017

RattyMouse said:
E6 is dead.

Film is dead.

etn · Nov 17, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Good question. Who knows? I do not see myself using E6 film in any size.

Hasselblad glass rocks with slide film... maybe you just need a 6x6 projector?

removed account4 · Nov 17, 2017

gotta chasing the past and live in the present.
if e6 goes we still have other things
people will moan, and groan
they have been doing that here since 02 ..
gotta be thankful for what we have, and we have a lot.
there's still film, there's still paper when the manufacturers no longer
make both of those people have managed since 1839 to make images on their own
and we have photrio ... imagine if photrio or something like that existed 100-200 years ago ?
it wouldn't have taken weeks or months for hershel to suggest fox talbot to use thiosulfate ..
NedL might have suggested it first !

BrianShaw · Nov 17, 2017

There should be a new forum crated for this kind of thread... and the Kodachrome threads too: Hopes of a Second Coming.

BrianShaw · Nov 17, 2017

trendland said:
Fine you didn't mentioned Trump again

with regards

I'd "Report This Post" but it's just too funny.

removed account4 · Nov 17, 2017

trendland said:
Fine you didn't mentioned Trump again

with regards

i heard there will be a t... brand film coming soon
gold and black packaging really classy stuff
and only a putz wouldn't wanna buy it.
using this fabulous film is a chance of a lifetime
perfect exposures every time, you'll take photographs like a pro
not only that, but every sale benefits not only the namesake, BUT also
a small undisclosed percentage of the net net net net
goes to the political defense fund to help a lot of very fine people ...

fine print: thre is 1 or maybe 2 exposures per roll, the film manufacturers, their sponsors or branding conglomerate
( located in the cayman islands ) bear no responsibility if the film in the cassette is not long enough to reach the camera take up spool
or for the skill or inability to be a professional picture taker. all photographs for this paid informercial were made by
a super well known commerical photgrapher of the highest caliber who i know personally, and none of it was taken using the film being sold.
photography is about dreams and missed opportunity and using this film you will keep dreaming you bought a diffeent film.

RattyMouse · Nov 17, 2017

etn said:
Film is dead.

That's nonsense. E6 on the other hand, is truly dying. It may not be dead right now, but it's mortally wounded and will soon disappear.

mshchem · Nov 17, 2017

jnanian said:
i heard there will be a t... brand film coming soon
gold and black packaging really classy stuff
and only a putz wouldn't wanna buy it.
using this fabulous film is a chance of a lifetime
perfect exposures every time, you'll take photographs like a pro
not only that, but every sale benefits not only the namesake, BUT also
a small undisclosed percentage of the net net net net
goes to the political defense fund to help a lot of very fine people ...

fine print: thre is 1 or maybe 2 exposures per roll, the film manufacturers, their sponsors or branding conglomerate
( located in the cayman islands ) bear no responsibility if the film in the cassette is not long enough to reach the camera take up spool
or for the skill or inability to be a professional picture taker. all photographs for this paid informercial were made by
a super well known commerical photgrapher of the highest caliber who i know personally, and none of it was taken using the film being sold.
photography is about dreams and missed opportunity and using this film you will keep dreaming you bought a diffeent film.

NICE!

removed account4 · Nov 17, 2017

mshchem said:
NICE!

you DON"T want to miss this opportunity of a lifetime !

mshchem · Nov 17, 2017

My camera store gave me a Kinderman 6x6 projector about 4 years back. I had/have a nice RZ 67 outfit, Fuji 6x9s and more. I wanted 6x6 slides. So I bought a Bronica SQAi took Fujichromes of the fall colors. My wife, (who is a curator) was stunned by the beauty, as was I. Long story short, Those damn 6x6 slides started me off on a binge. I now own 4 Bronica SQAi bodies and damn near 10 lens, backs, motors prisms.................. Maybe the same thing will happen with NEW EKTACHROME.

etn · Nov 17, 2017

RattyMouse said:
That's nonsense. E6 on the other hand, is truly dying. It may not be dead right now, but it's mortally wounded and will soon disappear.

I know it’s nonsense I should have included a smiley to that post.
E6 disappearing really, really sucks though...

AgX · Nov 17, 2017

Actually I do not even see the reason for E6 sheet films at all.

The number of people doing large format projection would be too small for any manufacture. And they still could make a contact copy on print film.
The latter comes also true for people who want to show their clients a transparency on a light table.

In both cases one could argue about the added time and effort, but that should not make the point with people who are into large format anyway.

NJH · Nov 17, 2017

Sad to say it but they are scanning it on flatbeds. They could get better results with a decent MF camera and decent MF scanner but the later these days are a road to depression, anxiety and all sorts of other pains caused by trying to live film in a digital world. No doubt about it, the recent high resolution digital cameras have effectively killed E6 for print output, but there is nothing and will never be anything like a glass mounted 6x6 projected onto a big screen.

faberryman · Nov 17, 2017

NJH said:
...there is nothing and will never be anything like a glass mounted 6x6 projected onto a big screen.

There are nothing like lantern slides either, but no one makes them any more. There is still a niche for buggy whips; fortunately, artisans can make them with hand tools; no industrialized machines are required.

Poisson Du Jour · Nov 17, 2017

AgX said:
The number of people doing large format projection would be too small for any manufacture. And they still could make a contact copy on print film.

LF sheet film has never been projected -- I don't know where you got that information from. It has been and continues to be used in RA-4 printing for quite large reproduction, including to backlit panels, Ilfochrome Classic and other methods. This has been the way for many decades. People hang on to printing from slides because it relates to the old days of photogravure and reproduction of images for publication.

Bob Carnie · Nov 17, 2017

Poisson Du Jour said:
Let's just be very blunt and to the point with one thing here. Skip the hysteria over Kodak and concentrate on what Fujifilm is doing.
In E6, Fujifilm is the major player. Kodak doesn't even rate a mention on the radar. Ektachrome is still seen as a non-event by many traditional dyed-in-the-wool consumers of E6 products.

Mid-last year there were murmurings through two distributors that Fuji was working on an exit from analogue products in 2020. I am keeping my ear to the ground with my own distributor. If they do exit, that will cause a collapse of E6 availability, in particular the labs and the chemicals they use. For some time -- a few years now, a trend has been seen for labs to scale down processing availability or cease processing of E6 completely. For E6 to be worthwhile, a large amount of the product must be run through the machinery to keep it going; the process is filthy. The inescapable fact is E6 is diminishing continuously in take-up and processing availability. We should collectively not be holding our breath for Kodak as any sort of saviour for the market, but getting cracking with whatever other E6 materials are available to keep the machines turning. If we don't, we have only ourselves to blame, not the film manufacturers.

Do it.

Hunt Chemicals in NA make E6 chemicals, many options other than Fuji chems.

SilverShutter · Nov 17, 2017

faberryman said:
I don't plan to shoot color film in any format again. I will continue to shoot black and white film for the foreseeable future.

I get a bit sad when I read stuff like this to be honest, I mean colour film is just as special as black and white, and although more expensive sometimes its really worth it.

AgX · Nov 17, 2017

Poisson Du Jour said:
LF sheet film has never been projected -- I don't know where you got that information from. It has been and continues to be used in RA-4 printing for quite large reproduction, including to backlit panels, Ilfochrome Classic and other methods. This has been the way for many decades. People hang on to printing from slides because it relates to the old days of photogravure and reproduction of images for publication.

There have been and still are LF projectors. I myself shall acquire one these days. But they never were used at home.
(Unless we speak of lantern plates of that size.)

AgX · Nov 17, 2017

Bob Carnie said:
Hunt Chemicals in NA make E6 chemicals, many options other than Fuji chems.

Hunt in Europe has been taken over by Fuji, so all stays in the family...

iandvaag · Nov 17, 2017

AgX said:
And they still could make a contact copy on print film

What currently manufactured film(s) are suitable for contact printing colour negatives to make slides? I've been looking for such a solution to make medium format stereo slides when the day comes that Fuji discontinues slide film.

Sirius Glass · Nov 17, 2017

lantau said:
Quite ironic, when someone whose mother tongue appears to be American, makes that claim to someone, who speaks English as a second language. It's not hearsay when I tell you that I do call that famous city on the US East coast 'New York'. The locals may not understand which place I'm talking about...

But it is a sign of good character that you're not familiar with the concept of heresy!

I never believed in heresy,

Sirius Glass · Nov 17, 2017

etn said:
Hasselblad glass rocks with slide film... maybe you just need a 6x6 projector?

Not interested. Slides do not reproduce as well as negative film.

AgX · Nov 17, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Not interested. Slides do not reproduce as well as negative film.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

It must be slide projections to prints.

If Fuji discontinue all E6 we will see New Ektachrome in 120, 4x5, 8x10 ?

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