I miss Color EIR film

frobozz · Jun 24, 2011

#12 is what the spec calls for... but since none of us are hoping for scientifically precise colors, a #15 could give interesting results too. As I understand it, every layer in this emulsion is blue sensitive, so the #12 is exactly "minus blue", and any other filter is probably going to allow a little blue to sneak in.

Duncan

holmburgers · Jun 25, 2011

Yellow & orange seem to produce the best results.

I haven't X-pro'd, but people do it. It'd be cool to give it a shot on RA-4! Do share once you've done it

hpulley · Jun 25, 2011

Good. I have a few yellow, orange and red filters to try on my RB67 Pro S (all 77mm which match all my lenses) and I might get the proper #12 as well since B&H has them in stock.

Our postal strike is a problem at the moment since the seller of the film usually sends regular parcel but if that gets settled or if the seller can get me some other reasonable shipping from Germany I will try it with C-41 cross processing and RA-4 printing. I will of course share if I get anything good.

holmburgers · Jun 25, 2011

By the way, polygot, what you describe sounds very interesting. I'd love to see some alternate color combinations using IR layers. I think it would be cool to have a wide variety of "false color" films, and indeed, some of the assembly color techniques (dye-imbibition, color carbon, even color gum) have opportunities for that.

frobozz · Jun 25, 2011

All the film I've gotten from him ships out of California. I presume he sends a big box full of parcels to a friend there, who then reships them individually to save money vs direct from Germany. Not that that helps your postal strike problem, but maybe some alternative won't be as expensive as you're thinking?

Duncan

Leigh B · Jun 26, 2011

I shot a ton of EIR about 40 years ago. Really liked the effect.

There are other things I did 40 years ago that I enjoyed more.

- Leigh

Athiril · Jun 27, 2011

You could try shooting tri-colour separation with green, red, and IR filter on b&w IR film (it just the IR frame on the IR film for interchangeable backs).

holmburgers · Jun 27, 2011

Leigh B said:
I shot a ton of EIR about 40 years ago. Really liked the effect.

There are other things I did 40 years ago that I enjoyed more.

- Leigh

Such as...?

EIR is kind of a 'one-trick pony', but it's such a unique product I had to at least shoot it a couple times myself. And time is running out...

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

I bought some! It arrived on Friday and I shot a roll of simple landscapes and farmscapes through my Mamiya RB67 ProS with 90mm KL and 180mm lenses with Yellow 15 and Orange 21 filters. I developed it in freshly mixed JOBO Press Kit C-41 chemicals, 3:30 dev @35C, 6:30 blix @36C using the Kodak 1443 data sheet as a rough guide as I'm not really sure the difference from Flexicolor and the Kodak instructions are for aerial 40 ISO use anyways while I'm shooting at sea level.

So, anyone know of a starting filter pack to try? The data sheet says you can cross process in C-41 and then print to RA-4 but doesn't suggest filter settings. I've never cross processed slide film in C-41 before so I'm not sure even how much to add because this film lacks the normal orange base. This is false color IR film so I suppose it doesn't matter and most of my paper is expired anyways but if anyone else has done this, please let me know.

The negatives are drying now so I can't scan them until after work sadly. If I'm not too tired I'll fire up the dichroic head and Ektacolor RT RA chemicals to see how this stuff looks printed. Can't wait!

Will try some people shots on the next roll.

holmburgers · Jul 25, 2011

Awesome, looking forward to some scans!

You might have to "pioneer" a filter pack for this stuff, but once you do, you'll get all the credit.

EdSawyer · Jul 25, 2011

what sort of exposures did you give it? I forget what the rating of this film is, offhand. Is it hand-holdable in normal use?

holmburgers · Jul 25, 2011

Yeah, it's 200

airgunr · Jul 25, 2011

I've been shooting off the last of my EIR film the last couple of weeks. I've got one in the camera, 4 in the fridge and 2 exposed waiting to go off for developement.

Jeff Kubach · Jul 25, 2011

I miss Konica IR B&W,some of you don't like it but i do!

Jeff

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

I was told to shoot it at EI 400 even while using a mandatory filter and from the drying negatives that seemed to work well. I was also told to shoot it under subdued lighting but I tried some shots overcast and some under mostly clear sunny skies to see for myself. So I was shooting 1/125 to 1/400 at f/5.6 to f/13 when I was out. All seem good on the negs, no bad misses which is good considering the narrow +-1 stop latitude of the film. Seemed quite hand holdable.

You develop it at lower temperature in C-41 to avoid fog but you don't seem to add much time, 3:45 @33.3 was suggested for Flexicolor chems. I sort of guessed as I'm using JOBO/Tetenal which normally takes a bit longer than Flexicolor especially for push processing.

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

When did Kodak last make the 2444 CIR negative film and HIE 2424 B&W? I think Dean may have the last of the 1443 Aerochrome.

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

21 orange filter, 180mm lens

IMG_0013 by Harry Pulley, on Flickr

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

Yellow 15 filter, 90mm lens

Hay bales 1 edit by Harry Pulley, on Flickr

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

IMG_0021 by Harry Pulley, on Flickr

hpulley · Jul 25, 2011

IMG_0022 by Harry Pulley, on Flickr

SkipA · Jul 26, 2011

Ummmm, really nice stuff hpulley. Those are Ciba worthy images.

I will contact Dean and see if any of this medium unobtanium is still available.

hpulley · Jul 26, 2011

First roll, just trying stuff out. Thanks.

Actually these are negatives I made so no need for Cibachrome, will be doing RA-4.

Says he has lots left, expensive though.

SkipA · Jul 26, 2011

I thought EIR was a slide film. Sorrry. Anyway, I'm sure I'll find out prices if I inquire, but I may not bother if it is expensive. Do you know what formats he sells, and what sort of prices? I hope he speaks English, as I certainly don't speak or even recognize the language on his website. Sorry, I'm culturally dull. I only speak English and Spanish, much to my chagrin.

hpulley · Jul 26, 2011

SkipA said:
I thought EIR was a slide film. Sorrry. Anyway, I'm sure I'll find out prices if I inquire, but I may not bother if it is expensive. Do you know what formats he sells, and what sort of prices? I hope he speaks English, as I certainly don't speak or even recognize the language on his website. Sorry, I'm culturally dull. I only speak English and Spanish, much to my chagrin.

You're right, it is slide film but it can also be processed in C-41 or AN-5 to produce a negative. I processed it in C-41 so I can print it cheaply on RA-4 paper. I don't even have a MF slide projector and I don't do E6 at home so I chose to cross process it.

He writes excellent English. I think it is 120 format only, $25/roll. Expensive but cut down from large sheets and the last supply on earth so he can pretty much charge what he wants.

holmburgers · Jul 26, 2011

He'll also cut it into 4x5" if you're interested.

I think Dean B. is an American Ex-Pat, or something like that. Anyways... just don't mention reconstructing infrared separation negatives in photoshop to him...

I miss Color EIR film

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