I just don't get the 35mm vs bigger format thing.

Fixcinater · May 1, 2015

Bill Burk said:
But wait! There's more. I have a 4x5 shot exact same composition as one on Pocket Instamatic, where the Pocket Instamatic shot is better.

And if that isn't enough. Try to solve my riddle how I got hundreds, maybe thousands of negatives represented on one Minox negative.

Easy: you took a photo of your darkroom, including your neg filing system.

Bill Burk · May 1, 2015

Dan Fromm,

I appreciate you coming here as a Member to discuss this, reminded me to put the photos in the thread directly instead of the Gallery where only Subscribers could see them.

eddie,

You might be onto something. I never liked the two 4x5 burned out forest shots. They are atrocities of composition, painful to look at. While the Minox shot is actually quite pleasing. Maybe that's why I like the Minox shot while I can't stand the other two. I always thought the harsh reality of fire was why I couldn't bear to look at them. Now I know they are just plain bad.

Bill Burk · May 1, 2015

Fixcinater said:
Easy: you took a photo of your darkroom, including your neg filing system.

99% Right... Just wait till you see it.

eddie · May 1, 2015

Bill- Just to clarify- In no way was my comment directed at you, or your photos. I just see a lot of posts regarding equipment (and chemical) "upgrades", where the posters seem to think the "upgrades" will make them better photographers. I've never regarded you to be in that category of poster.

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Fixcinater said:
Easy: you took a photo of your darkroom, including your neg filing system.

Bill Burk, Burroughs Negative Files, City of Industry, 1984

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Next pair of prints illustrate that you should plan to use a tripod if you expect to gain the resolution benefit of larger formats.

The two shots are same exact subject, two different cameras. 110 Pocket Instamatic and 4x5 TMY-2.

Mistletoe has always had a special meaning to me (see my gallery).

I suppressed the urge to grab a low-hanging bunch and stuff it in my pack to take home and hang from the ceiling. I know it goes against all kinds of ethics... Meanwhile I thought taking home an amazing photo of mistletoe would satisfy the craving.

The 110 shot came out as planned. But something went wrong when I took the 4x5 shot. I lost my cable release earlier in the day so I found myself improvising and tugging at the shutter release with a grass lasso. The tug caused camera shake. It's my opinion that the 110 is the more successful print. The 4x5 is arguably better. But only marginally.

Oak and Mistletoe, Black Diamond Mines (Pocket Instamatic)
110 High Resolution Close-Up

Oak and Mistletoe, Black Diamond Mines (4x5)
4x5 High Resolution Close-Up

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Those are the significant lessons from this exercise. The remaining images that I will post in this thread are just examples of similar scenery treated with both Minox and 4x5, some successful in Minox, some better in 4x5.

polyglot · May 2, 2015

Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Dan Fromm · May 2, 2015

polyglot said:
Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

As many as you want. That's an easy problem.

rbultman · May 2, 2015

polyglot said:
Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

What kinds of pin, European or African?

bdial · May 2, 2015

polyglot said:
Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

It's either the same as the number of film grains you can count if you enlarge a Minox negative to 16x20 feet. Or the the line pairs per mm you can see on an 8x10 negative reduced to Minox size. Don't remember which.

:munch:

Old-N-Feeble · May 2, 2015

rbultman said:
What kinds of pin, European or African?

What kind of angels, European or African?

Old-N-Feeble · May 2, 2015

polyglot said:
Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

The rule of fantastically imaginative thought allows for any number between 0 and infinity or both at the same time.

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

polyglot said:
Have we yet determined how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I think Kitty Tatch and Katherine Hazelston answered this question when they danced atop Overhanging Rock at Glacier Point for George Fiske.

rbultman said:
What kinds of pin, European or African?

The scales I used in my photograph close-ups show markings of sixteenths of an inch.

Old-N-Feeble said:
What kind of angels, European or African?

I don't knooooooooooooooooooowwwww!

Old-N-Feeble · May 2, 2015

Is this thread about clanking two halves of coconuts together and pretending its a a real horse galloping?

rbultman · May 2, 2015

Many threads that run the length of this one feel like this exchange, except less funny.

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_scripts/peasant.php

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Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Old-N-Feeble said:
Is this thread about clanking two halves of coconuts together and pretending its a a real horse galloping?

Oh, I'm sorry. This is abuse.

Graham Chapman - KMET - September 21, 1980

Old-N-Feeble · May 2, 2015

Bill Burk said:
Oh, I'm sorry. This is abuse.

Graham Chapman - KMET - September 21, 1980

I'm sorry if my last post seemed abusive. It was only intended as sly friendly humor.

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Old-N-Feeble said:
I'm sorry if my last post seemed abusive. It was only intended as sly friendly humor.

Not at all. I just needed a funny caption for my picture of Graham Chapman.

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

As promised, no specific lesson...

An example Minox photograph that stands up pretty well on its own.

River Scene

High Resolution Close-Up

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

No specific lesson...

An example 35mm photograph (APX-25) where everything came together, I think this print stands up well next to 4x5 photographs.

Aspen View

High Resolution Close-Up

Les Sarile · May 2, 2015

Bill Burk said:
I think this print stands up well next to 4x5 photographs.

The examples you are posting are simply unbelievable. Please continue to represent.

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

I almost forgot. I promised to be fair. Here are a pair where the 4x5 (Godzilla) stomps on Minox (Bambi).

It's not just the fact that the Minox has lost critical sharpness due to camera movement. The Minox just can't keep up against a crisp flowing water scene similar to this which was taken on large format.

Dinkey Creek (4x5)
High Resolution Close-Up

Dinkey Creek (Minox)
High Resolution Close-Up

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Here is a 4x5 shot that stands on its own.

Stopped for lunch break at Purple Lake on the John Muir Trail. When they had passed us on the trail earlier, I couldn't work the camera fast enough to get a shot of them riding by. I spoke briefly with the rider just long enough to know the horse's name is Doc, he was happy to pose for a shot.

Doc and Rider, Purple Lake
High Resolution

Bill Burk · May 2, 2015

Les Sarile said:
The examples you are posting are simply unbelievable. Please continue to represent.

Thanks Les Sarile!

I just don't get the 35mm vs bigger format thing.

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