It's usually a bit confusing, particularly when just starting out, changing both M + Y at a time. Start with adjusting either one of them, and then do the other.I was actually trying to do like you said but I was a bit confused by add or substract colors and I had to ask a sort of opinion to figure out the correct combination.
Hi, you can start anywhere you like, but personally, I'd say you already HAVE a start. I'd go on from there. For the folks that say to go back to a "standard" starting point, fine. Either way, pick one and then go on from there.
From your test that is too blue, here's how I'd approach it: a rule I've used for color correcting since circa 1970s is, "always do the wrong thing." Ok, since the print is too blue the "wrong thing" seems to be to add even more blue (to the filter pack). But following the rule, it IS what you want to do. So... since you're gonna do all your adjustments using only yellow and magenta filtration you've got to convert from blue to these.
Ok, yellow and blue are "complementary" colors, essentially opposites in photographic color. You know you want to add blue, which you don't have, to the filter pack. But since yellow is the "opposite" of blue, then removing yellow from the films pack is equivalent to adding blue. So... you wanna remove some yellow filtration. How much, I have no idea - this is so far off. But if you make several jumps of 30cc it shouldn't take long to zero in. So from your starting point of: 100M, 150Y, I might pull out 60Y, giving pack = 100M, 90Y. If this overshoots, giving a yellowish print, then you could estimate a correction somewhere between the original 150Y and the test value of 90 Y. If it was not far enough, and the print is still too blue, you could try removing another 30Y from the filter pack. Etc., etc.
Alternatively you could use the green print as a starting point. Using the rule, "always do the wrong thing," you would want to add green to the filter pack. As before, you don't have any green filters to work with. But... green is the complementary color to magenta, which means that adding green is equivalent to removing magenta. For the amount to remove, I dunno, but the green doesn't look as "strong" as the bluish print, so it's probably a smaller correction. I'd probably try pulling one or two sets of 30cc magenta. So instead of 140M, 120Y, I might try going to 110M or 80M with the 120Y.
When you reach the point where another color predominates then you can start working on that color.
I should probably describe how to deal with the third primary color, red. If you have a reddish print, you want to "do the wrong thing," and add red to the filter pack. The complement of red is cyan, so adding red is equivalent to removing cyan. But... traditionally we don't adjust cyan filtration. So, the question is, "is there another way to add red filtration?" The answer is yes, if we add equal amounts of both magenta and yellowish, this is equivalent to adding red filtration.
Now, I'm guessing that you don't have the color relationships memorized. A conventional way to work with them is to sketch three overlapping colors; label them as red, green, and blue. Where red and green overlap label it yellow. Where red and blue overlap, label it magenta. And where green and blue overlap, label it cyan. Once you have this diagram its easy to see which colors are opposite (these are complementary), and the result of combining colors. With this you should be able to work out all the colors. Once you are able to recognize them, that is. Most people, when starting out with this, will identify a magenta color as red, and a cyan color as blue. So keep this in mind if it's hard to fine-tune colors.
Once you get a print dialed in, more or less, then it may be worth making a so-called color ringaround. Basically this is a set of color variations in 6 directions. You'd have both plus and minus red (minus red = cyan), plus and minus green (minus green = magenta), and plus and minus yellow (minus yellow = blue). If you do this ringaround in two or three different color strength levels, this would be very useful in learning how to recognize colors.
Best of luck in your endeavors.
Finally, please keep in mind you only need to filter on M and Y, never on C. So the 'ringaround' that @Mr Bill mentions is absolutely fine, but you don't need to go into 6 directions. 4 is ample.
I was actually trying to do like you said but I was a bit confused by add or substract colors and I had to ask a sort of opinion to figure out the correct combination. Anyway I'll try your suggest too. Thank you !!
Just out of interest what negatives are these test strips from? Others seem to be able to see images from a negative projection onto a piece of RA4 but all I can see is a mid to dark blue section with a light blue section under it and on the other side green sections both of which seem similar in colour with some beige sections and a thin darker green streakHello everyone,
I'm having an issue with the correct filterI did two test strip. One it's too green and the other it's too blue.
The blue one has M100 Y150 and the green one has M140 Y120View attachment 245248 . I did other test but I had cyan and I didn't get good results. What combination can I try to have the correct result?
Thank you so much
Blue's opposite is yellow, and cyan is opposite orange.
Cyan is opposite red on the color wheel. In conventional subtractive printing, increasing cyan reduces red light from white light; increasing yellow reduces blue; increasing magenta reduces green.
When I did this the first time, I scanned a negative and then adjusted the color filtration in the software (RBG, or red, blue, green values) until it resembled my print that was off. That way I could see what colors had to be adjusted back and by roughly how much to get a good balance.
What I remember from printing color RA4+ is that the opposite of cyan was orange or close enough, which was made up from magenta and yellow...and that my 1971 Superbeetle that I drove for ten years and 150,000+ miles was not red and was not orange, but was perfectly in between.There are a number of different color wheels (both historically and today). The one that should be used in modern subtractive photography is the one described by Drew.
What I remember from printing color RA4+ is that the opposite of cyan was orange or close enough, which was made up from magenta and yellow...and that my 1971 Superbeetle that I drove for ten years and 150,000+ miles was not red and was not orange, but was perfectly in between.
Women generally have better color vision...sometime accutely so.I have learned that issues related to the real world appearamce of colors of a certain name I better leave to my less hairy half. Although I believe I can discern hues fairly well, I always end up with the short straw if we're discussing if that hue in-between green and blue is closer to one or the other...
I have learned that issues related to the real world appearamce of colors of a certain name I better leave to my less hairy half. Although I believe I can discern hues fairly well, I always end up with the short straw if we're discussing if that hue in-between green and blue is closer to one or the other...
Women generally have better color vision...sometime accutely so.
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