HP5+ Negatives, Weird Outcome

[edowder]

Been developing this film for a long time. D76, T4, Hypo. Nothing unusual here. I was developing N+1 at 71F so developed for 15 mins. Fixed for 5 mins. Washed for 10 mins.

Trying to understand this.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

Been developing this film for a long time. D76, T4, Hypo. Nothing unusual here. I was developing N+1 at 71F so developed for 15 mins. Fixed for 5 mins. Washed for 10 mins.

Trying to understand this.

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Is this the only shot affected by the milky areas? You seem to have a developed image in the milky areas, so my untrained guess is that this looks vaguely like failing fix solution, and/or adherence of the film in the spiral during fix, but I might be wrong...

If I am not wrong, the easy fix is to fix the film again (pun intended, sorry!).

 

[Vaughn]

This usually happens when the film emulsion touches the wind of film next to it. Fix could not get to the overlapped areas sufficiently.

Re-fixing might help, but if the winds of film were touching the whole time, development in those areas will be affected, also.

 

[xkaes]

That's my thought too. The whitish parts are UNFIXED. It's unfixed because the fix could not get to it. It was stuck to something.

Chances are that area was also "stuck" during development, so nothing will show up -- but you should re-fix anyway.

That's happened to ALL of us!!!

 

[edowder]

Is this the only shot affected by the milky areas? You seem to have a developed image in the milky areas, so my untrained guess is that this looks vaguely like failing fix solution, and/or adherence of the film in the spiral during fix, but I might be wrong...

If I am not wrong, the easy fix is to fix the film again (pun intended, sorry!).

Only this one frame was impacted. Along the edges up three and down three of that frame. I checked the fixer… with a portion of the film I cut off during loading and it went clear in 30 secs so I know the fixer is plenty strong.

I’ll add it back to the fixer and see what happens.

 

[retina_restoration]

The film was incorrectly loaded onto the reel and the film came in contact with itself in places, blocking the chemicals from coming in contact.

 

[edowder]

I just put it back in the fixer for another three minutes. Immediately started to clear up in 30 seconds. Underneath that very little appears on the negative. I think the film probably jumped track on the Patterson reel and stuck to the film next to it preventing both developer and fixer from originally getting to it.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

then this is adhe

Only this one frame was impacted. Along the edges up three and down three of that frame. I checked the fixer… with a portion of the film I cut off during loading and it went clear in 30 secs so I know the fixer is plenty strong.

I’ll add it back to the fixer and see what happens.

then this is adherence of the film in two adjacent turns of the spiral. The displacement could be often caused by a slightly too-strong agitation/inversion during the stop bath.

If that's the case, fixing the film again will solve the issue. If you get to remove the milky areas but there is no image below them then the adherence was there during development, possibly due to incorrect loading of the spiral, or to the spiral loosening up from the lock position.

Good luck and let us know.

OneEyedPainter

 

[oneeyedpainter]

I just put it back in the fixer for another three minutes. Immediately started to clear up in 30 seconds. Underneath that very little appears on the negative. I think the film probably jumped track on the Patterson reel and stuck to the film next to it preventing both developer and fixer from originally getting to it.

sorry we were typing at the same time

Yes, if there is no image below, then the adherence was there at development time. Check the spiral locking system, to see if the spiral has any vertical wiggling when locked in position. If so, getting a new spiral is the cheapest option. Otherwise, it was just one of those "tough luck!" moments.

OneEyedPainter

 

[MattKing]

@edowder ,
Welcome to Photrio.
I'm impressed that you have never seen this happen before!
Almost everyone encounters a reel misload some time in their experience.
Usually, it happens early on, because as experience grows, the ability to detect when there is a problem grows as well, followed by in backing the film out and starting loading the reel again.
Do you, by chance, use a changing bag to load the reels?
Changing bags and I have never got along well in the decades I've been developing film.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

Changing bags and I have never got along well in the decades I've been developing film.

I shared the same position for years, but upon returning to film I decided to give a shot to using a changing bag, and I really loved it. Mainly for the convenience, strange as it might sound. It was nifty to find out that all the muscle memory was still there, and I could load the reel as if I had stopped the day before...

 

[edowder]

@edowder ,
Welcome to Photrio.
I'm impressed that you have never seen this happen before!
Almost everyone encounters a reel misload some time in their experience.
Usually, it happens early on, because as experience grows, the ability to detect when there is a problem grows as well, followed by in backing the film out and starting loading the reel again.
Do you, by chance, use a changing bag to load the reels?
Changing bags and I have never got along well in the decades I've been developing film.

I took this photo with my old 35mm Canon AE1, which I haven’t used in over 15-20 years. I’ve been shooting with my RB67 and 500CM cameras. I had been away from this format for quite some time until recently. A month ago, I noticed light leaks, so I got a CLA. This was my first roll after the CLA. I was suspect and jumped to leaks as the problem, thinking the CLA was the issue. I have not had issues loading the film onto the reels. This might have been a first in many decades, since high school.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

I shared the same position for years, but upon returning to film I decided to give a shot to using a changing bag, and I really loved it. Mainly for the convenience, strange as it might sound. It was nifty to find out that all the muscle memory was still there, and I could load the reel as if I had stopped the day before...

I turned a largish cardboard box into a changing bag by painting the inside flat black, cutting an opening into one side, and adding some light protection so I can reach into it with black cloth. Now, I have a changing box with plenty of room in it for parts and moving around, and my hands are not getting sweaty anymore.

 

[jim appleyard]

This is commonly known as Leprosy, at least among photo students.