How well does Ferrania ORTO do in the darkroom ?

[Beverly Hills]

.....reviews please !

 

[Beverly Hills]

It took a long time but there is a second film by Ferrania :

 

[twelvetone12]

Is the film even available yet for purchase? In and Italian forum I was reading of a gut that went to the presentation yesterday and said the test prints were quite nice.

 

[Beverly Hills]

BTW : Can anyone remember the P27 from Ferrania ?

....and would it be possible that the ORTO is a cross between the new P30 and the long forgotten P27 emulsion ?

Or is the ORTO in the very near of the new P30 ?

What do the experts say about the characteristics of the

FERRANIA ORTO ?

 

[Beverly Hills]

...some funny pictures when people from the silent film era tried top compensate for the characteristics of orthochromatic emulsions with make up :

 

[Beverly Hills]

Is the film even available yet for purchase? In and Italian forum I was reading of a gut that went to the presentation yesterday and said the test prints were quite nice.

Here are the shops twelvetone 12 :

.....

 

[Beverly Hills]

Here is a first shot :

 

[Europan]

On one side we read ORTO, on the other ortochromatico. Typical mistake of a non-Italian somewhere in the communication chain. Dave Bias?

 

[pentaxuser]

Beverly Hills , do I take it that you simply mean how does Ferrania Ortho compare when developed with P30 ?

The use of the word Darkroom made me wonder what a darkroom has to do with it

Your first shot looks fine. Are there any reds here? Is this a print or a neg scan and what speed was it shot at and what developer, dilution and time was it developed at

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Scott Micciche]

.....reviews please !

Make a few prints and let us know.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

How can one try/review this film when it isn't available yet? Us Canadians don't even have a dealer here, and have to order from shops down in the US.

 

[cmacd123]

How can one try/review this film when it isn't available yet? Us Canadians don't even have a dealer here, and have to order from shops down in the US.

a perennial Problem. we can send an astronaut around the moon but we can't buy film localy.

 

[Beverly Hills]

Your first shot looks fine. Are there any reds here? Is this a print or a neg scan and what speed was it shot at and what developer, dilution and time was it developed at

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Beverly Hills]

Beverly Hills , do I take it that you simply mean how does Ferrania Ortho compare when developed with P30 ?

The use of the word Darkroom made me wonder what a darkroom has to do with it


Thanks

pentaxuser

Yes exactly, that is THE question of general interest - I would now simply put it like this.
What is the difference between these two films ?

You have to be able to ask yourself this question, because
presumably or even obviously there will not be a huge difference.

( Please remember your reply #74 in revenants thread :
Film Ferrania to anounce new product )

What is quite obvious is that there is a difference due to the fact that Ferrania ORTO ( ideosyncratic naming : ORTO without H, but still better than Ferrania OTTO...) ...is
ortho-chromatic sensitized.

THAT should NOT be a question : What's the difference between ortho- and panchromatic b&w films ?

In addition to this special property of the lack of tonal correctness, it is about the question of the special film
characteristics compared with Ferrania's P30, for example when it comes to grain, sharpness and tonals in general.

These questions were answered at the earliest with a fully
developed b&w film negative !

....hope it is clear now....?

For me, for example, the recomanded developer 510 pyro 1/500 sounds nice if EI 6 allows it ( for very extreme long exposures)

Ultimately, it's allways a question of taste : there are still various competitors :



May be Ferrania's ORTO is in the end still the superior competitor compared to its somewhat older cousin P30 ?

 

[Scott Micciche]

Yes exactly, that is THE question of general interest - I would now simply put it like this.
What is the difference between these two films ?


What is quite obvious is that there is a difference due to the fact that Ferrania ORTO ( ideosyncratic naming : ORTO without H, but still better than Ferrania OTTO...) ...is
ortho-chromatic sensitized.

You mean, idiosyncratic, as in the shortened naming of 'ortocromatico'?

I will give one nice difference. The Orto is processed in the Pakon F135, typical photo lab scanner output, beautifully. Proper exposure delivers no clipping, nice grays and that lab scan character. The P30 isn't lab processed very well, at all. The results I see from samples from various labs where people have sent their film has been disappointing. I believe Orto will be much more lab-friendly, so people not capable or wanting to develop at home, can send film in and enjoy the results, have prints made, etc.

 

[MarkS]

As it's a brand-new film, not widely distributed yet, even professional photo labs will have to figure out the correct processing for it.
Film Photography Project in the USA is advertising it now; so the avid film experimenters will soon have some to test. I'll be skeptical of any instant answers.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I won't know how this film performs at least not until it arrives at my doorstep... 4 to 6 weeks.

 

[Beverly Hills]

As it's a brand-new film, not widely distributed yet, even professional photo labs will have to figure out the correct processing for it.
Film Photography Project in the USA is advertising it now; so the avid film experimenters will soon have some to test. I'll be skeptical of any instant answers.

+1

MarkS, it will probably turn out about the same as with
the P 30. Only after a while, when a large number of films have been delivered, do you have reliable empirical values across the board. Everyone does things slightly different.
Due to the countless exposure variants and developer combinations of films, there are allready a lot of possibilities.
But some specialists are particulary fast and immediately have good results and also advice developing methods.
(..stand developing isn't allways the same procedure for example )
It will remain exciting for a long time.

 

[Beverly Hills]

I won't know how this film performs at least not until it arrives at my doorstep... 4 to 6 weeks.

...........one might wish, Andrew O'Neill, that your doorbell would ring much sooner. But hopefully it will really be the films you've been longing for......and not something completely different unexpectedly........?

 

[pentaxuser]

What is the difference between these two films ?


What is quite obvious is that there is a difference due to the fact that Ferrania ORTO ( ideosyncratic naming : ORTO without H, but still better than Ferrania OTTO...) ...is
ortho-chromatic sensitized.

THAT should NOT be a question : What's the difference between ortho- and panchromatic b&w films ?


These questions were answered at the earliest with a fully
developed b&w film negative !

....hope it is clear now....?



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May be Ferrania's ORTO is in the end still the superior competitor compared to its somewhat older cousin P30 ?

Well initially when you said this was the first shot I had assumed it was your first shot hence the questions. I saw no sign in it unlike your reply that this was a video by Figital Revolution. I'd have preferred him to use a few more superlatives in his "milk and water" neutral commentary. I do like presenters who " enthuse " more than this guy does

No, sorry, everything about the differences in these two films is not yet clear but I'll keep watching and hoping for full clarity

pentaxuser

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

...........one might wish, Andrew O'Neill, that your doorbell would ring much sooner. But hopefully it will really be the films you've been longing for......and not something completely different unexpectedly........?

They told me that it could arrive earlier, but I'm not holding my breath...

 

[braxus]

Looks like an idea for a video Andy. I wouldn't even mind trying a roll of this, as I love the Ortho look. But I still havent shot a roll of my Ilford Ortho yet.

 

[Beverly Hills]

You mean, idiosyncratic, as in the shortened naming of 'ortocromatico'?

I will give one nice difference. The Orto is processed in the Pakon F135, typical photo lab scanner output, beautifully. Proper exposure delivers no clipping, nice grays and that lab scan character. The P30 isn't lab processed very well, at all. The results I see from samples from various labs where people have sent their film has been disappointing. I believe Orto will be much more lab-friendly, so people not capable or wanting to develop at home, can send film in and enjoy the results, have prints made, etc.

Laboratory developement with a special b&w film like Ferrania Orto ? I'm really thinking about it, but in my understanding that made no sense in the past.

Exeption : Special developement in a special b&w lab with
freely selectable or recommanded developers.(wich was allways the most expensive solution)

Have things changed so much since then ?

Example :

credits by Stephen Schaub

.....I am quite sure, this quality is not easy to achive with a machine developer that is designed for replenishment.

 

[Beverly Hills]

Us Canadians don't even have a dealer here, and have to order from shops down in the US.

......where it's not too easy for you Canadians to comute between Vancouver and Seattle....?.....but now you have a King again......

seriously : you don't need to be gifted to imagine that the first
deliveries might still take place within the planned times but then there could be a break because the film could be sold out in the meantime!

 

[Beverly Hills]

.....is it true that Ferrania is stopping the P30 production ?