How to remove black spot on FB final print (toned) glossy paper

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Dear people,

How can remove a little but annoying, black spot, on a FB final print, glossy paper?

Reading the book of Tim Rudman he said, to scratch it. But should I retouch by color?

Maybe the best thing is to leave the print how it is. What you suggest?
 
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If you want to remove it, practice before on some scrap prints! Risk of failure is high. If you can live with it, leave it.
 
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If you want to remove it, practice before on some scrap prints! Risk of failure is high. If you can live with it, leave it.

Yes I will try on my print test, thank you.

Remove it with the tip of a brand new scalpel and then retouch the white dot.
I will buy a new one next weekend. But if I retouch it on white, should after recolour in grey/brown? (colour of the selenium toning)
Because the spot is on the forehead, thank you.
 

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It may be possible to scrape/sand but if you go through the emulsion the spotted area will no longer be glossy and the spotting ink will soak in and be more noticeable. You could try using white correction tape and then spot that. The best result would be to spot the negative and reprint. You will probably end up with a white spot but it can be spotted the traditional way with much better controls.

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The best result would be to spot the negative and reprint. You will probably end up with a white spot but it can be spotted the traditional way with much better controls.

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I just went through this with one of my negatives. I touched it up using an ultrafine tip Sharpie. It took a few attempts to get it right since the clear spot on the negative was so miniscule. Perform the touch up on the base side and if you mess it up you can easily clean it off with some PEC-12 and a PEC pad.
 
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Another possibility is to bleach the spot, this leaves the emulsion surface intact. I read it can be done with iodine, I've tried and got too much of a stain. Maybe other bleaches work better.
 

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I was going to suggest spot bleaching when the thread started, but I don't know if Farmer's Reducer will act on selenium toned image silver. I think it won't, because the silver metal is converted to silver selenide, which is much less reactive.
 
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Right, it depends how far it is toned. Selenium starts in the shadows and takes a while to move up the tonal scale. Maybe a bit of selenium tone remaining will mix with black ink to get the right tone anyway?
 
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Hi Guys,

Thank you for all your comments.

The idea of @Donald Qualls is good to take in charge for the future performance if something similar happens.

I tried on test print to scratch a bit, whit a really light hand, but retouched the spot became more evident, because the paper has absorbed the liquid colour.

I think to leave the selenium final print how it is, because this is my obsession to be accurate in everything.

@logan2z Thank you for your tip, but the spot on 35mm is so microscopic that I will tend to ruin even the film manipulating it.
 

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@logan2z Thank you for your tip, but the spot on 35mm is so microscopic that I will tend to ruin even the film manipulating it.

The touch up I did was on 120 film, but I believe the blank spot was caused by a tiny dust/dirt particle in the camera at the time the photo was taken so the size of the spot wasn't any different than had it been in 35mm film. But it was extremely small and challenging to touch up. I used a 10x magnifier with a small but adequate working distance to cover the spot using the Sharpie. I messed it up a few times and had to clean up the negative using PEC-12 but finally managed to get it done.

I printed the negative this past weekend and the touch up worked. Now there's just a tiny white spot to touch up on the print.
 

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Iodine works on selenium toned prints, too.

If that's the case, then Farmer's Reducer should as well, and it won't stain the paper or gelatin. So spot bleach, refix, wash, dry, then spot conventionally.
 

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I've bleached spots, and I've carefully scraped them away... My preference is to spot the negative with very light crocein red, and then spot the resulting white spot on the print.
 

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If reprinting is an option, that will work well, too. The OP was trying to save a final print.
 
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I both etch and bleach/spot. If the black spot on the print is small, I'll etch, as described above, with the tip of a small scalpel. The object is to very lightly remove the emulsion by scraping (not digging) so that you don't go all the way through, but just remove enough to hide the black spot. This is a real skill that takes practice. If done correctly, one can just dampen the etched spot and restore sheen, Often, however, one goes completely through the emulsion anyway; sometimes it's even necessary to get rid of the spot. In this case, I'll spot back with the right color combination of dyes mixed with a bit of gum Arabic. This latter helps restore the sheen.

For larger spots or scratches that are still too small to easily retouch on the negative, I'll bleach the print. Bleaching an almost-dry or dry print is best, since the bleach won't spread in the emulsion so much. I use a ferricyanide/bromide bleach and a toothpick usually, on an untoned print while I'm printing (so I can discard the ruined ones and keep only the successes). The resulting white area then gets spotted with regular spotting dyes. The problem with this method is that a black spot on a light area needs a lot of bleaching and usually bleaches quite a bit of the surrounding area as well. Often, I'll prefer to etch.

If the job is easy enough, I'll spot the negative. The problem is that a very small spot on the print is a very, very, very small spot on the negative. Something like a fine-point Sharpie used on the neg leaves a pretty bit white hole on the print that needs spotted back, so I'll usually only spot the negative if the defect is rather large.

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This is the spot... but the ensemble view is not very easy to notice it.
 
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