That sounds like a lot, but I guess I don't know what to compare it to.
How to nudge Kodachrome back into the consumer's eye
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I'm going to try my first roll this weekend- what do people rate it at- box speed?
Tim
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A hand held meter and ISO 80 will nail every time if you can meter the light falling on the subject.
As for the in camera meter, like anything, it depends on the scene. If it is your first roll, bracket and take some notes for the first 9 pics. Then rate it at box speed and go to town.
If you shoot landscapes at mid day in hazy light, it will look flat compared to Fuji fake-via. But if you are shooting street scenes where the subject has warm light on it from bouncing off of nearby buildings, it will sing.
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I usually rate it at 64ASA for general work, though sometimes (e.g. for landscapes and "brighter" subjects) 80ASA gives better color saturation.
If you've not used K64 before, I'd sacrifice a few frames and bracket the exposures to judge the right rating for your own equipment and working methods. Good luck.
I usually rate it at 64ASA for general work, though sometimes (e.g. for landscapes and "brighter" subjects) 80ASA gives better color saturation.
If you've not used K64 before, I'd sacrifice a few frames and bracket the exposures to judge the right rating for your own equipment and working methods. Good luck.
Really? The drug store chain I work for carries an (admittedly small) variety of genuine B&W films from Ilford and Kodak, their respective C-41 B&Ws, Kodak and Fuji consumer C-41 films in 100, 200, 400, and 800, along with Kodachrome (at my store at least) and a small selection of Elite Chrome and Fujichrome Sensia.
OP
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WOW! How large a market are you in? What I tend to see is that in the giant markets drugstores dropped anything that doesn't turn over like it's at a fire sale, and in the tiny markets they can't afford to let it go bad on the shelf. I think the only reason I found fresh Tri-X at the CVS about 15 miles outside Raleigh, NC is that particular store is in a large enough market that it won't expire before it's sold, but has a small enough client base that they tend to cater to some of the more eclectic preferences; i.e. that suburb neighborhood store is in a "middle" market area. I could be completely out to lunch on this, since I don't run a drug store nor do I really understand the global drug store marketing strategies.
I can say that two years ago I could pop into a Wal-mart almost anywhere and grab a couple of rolls of 135 Tri-X, but I can't find it in any Wal-mart I've checked in for at least a year. It's true that they never had more than two or three rolls on the pegboard, but there were almost always a few rolls of Tri-X 135 there. Same story for Walgreens. I did check one Kerr drugstore without any luck yesterday, but there aren't any Kerr stores on my way home. I still haven't had a chance to check the local CVS stores in my hometown, but I plan to check one this afternoon while I'm running some errands.
My guess is that since the CVS chains still have Kodak drop boxes, while Wal-mart has Fuji drop boxes, there may be an incentive for CVS to keep some in stock or they may simply get pricing from Kodak that makes it worthwhile. And since K-mart also has Kodak drop boxes, I plan to check them as well just to see what the story is.
I'll check on a few stores this week, and start a new thread about B&W film availability later in the week.
MB
K-chrome in the UK- try Boots the Chemist!
Just a note for those in the UK who want to track down Kodachrome, I found half a dozen rolls dated for October next year in my local Boots in Chester recently. They currently have a 3 for 2 offer on films, so I bought 3 rolls for around £8 each, about the price I paid when I last used Kodachrome probably 15 or 20 years ago! I'm very excited about using it again, having recently decided to shoot some colour and give the B/w a rest for a while, as I've got such a backlog in the darkroom....
Hope the old Weston is feeling up to the job...
Adrian
Just a note for those in the UK who want to track down Kodachrome, I found half a dozen rolls dated for October next year in my local Boots in Chester recently. They currently have a 3 for 2 offer on films, so I bought 3 rolls for around £8 each, about the price I paid when I last used Kodachrome probably 15 or 20 years ago! I'm very excited about using it again, having recently decided to shoot some colour and give the B/w a rest for a while, as I've got such a backlog in the darkroom....
Hope the old Weston is feeling up to the job...
Adrian
Don't forget to sign up for the Kodachrome slide exchange people! Here's the link.
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Regards, Art.
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Regards, Art.
I'd mostly rate K64 at ASA80 back in the days when the top magazine editors like Martha Hill suggested it. I'd also always error on the side of underexposure, if the dynamic range of the scene was long. But then, I found some of my images were rejected as too time consuming to batch-scan... Along came Velvia, and the same editors glossed over well-exposed K64 for the amped up saturation of Fujichrome. Sigh.
If you're shooting K64 for projection or submitting to salons, a 1/3 to 1/2 stop underexposure works well. If you're shooting for Ilfochrome printing shoot it dead on. (The additional saturation of Ilfochrome materials will bump it more than enough.) If you've got time to shoot it both ways, bracket and then bracket some more.
I recall a particularly tough situation with a bobcat that I'd called in and had stalked to within 8 feet of me-- in shade with a backlit field as the BG. Nothing good on the first roll, as an emergency Hail Mary measure on the second roll I shot it about 2 stops underexposed so as to not blow out detail in the sunlit grasses behind it. One of my personal favorite shots, I was finally able to heavily contrast mask in the D/R years later, compressing a measured 10 stops into something that'd print on Ilfochrome. (Albeit the 11x14 print I did for an exhibition took 45 minutes under the enlarger lamp, owing to reciprocity and with all the density of that mask! Yeah, I'd rather have used fill-flash if I could've in the first place, but it was what it was and I got what I got).
Kodachrome 400, Galen Rowell once referred to this trick. I've since done that particular bobcat slide even one better by scanning at 16 bits on my Minolta 5400 DSE (same shot looked like Hell professionally scanned on an 8-bit Tango, however).
Kodachrome 64 has a long, long toe in the shadows. I do miss this with Fujichrome. Astia 100F has a similar dynamic range but like most Fujichromes tends to get muddy when you try to pull one out of the hat like this.
If you're shooting K64 for projection or submitting to salons, a 1/3 to 1/2 stop underexposure works well. If you're shooting for Ilfochrome printing shoot it dead on. (The additional saturation of Ilfochrome materials will bump it more than enough.) If you've got time to shoot it both ways, bracket and then bracket some more.
I recall a particularly tough situation with a bobcat that I'd called in and had stalked to within 8 feet of me-- in shade with a backlit field as the BG. Nothing good on the first roll, as an emergency Hail Mary measure on the second roll I shot it about 2 stops underexposed so as to not blow out detail in the sunlit grasses behind it. One of my personal favorite shots, I was finally able to heavily contrast mask in the D/R years later, compressing a measured 10 stops into something that'd print on Ilfochrome. (Albeit the 11x14 print I did for an exhibition took 45 minutes under the enlarger lamp, owing to reciprocity and with all the density of that mask! Yeah, I'd rather have used fill-flash if I could've in the first place, but it was what it was and I got what I got).
Kodachrome 400, Galen Rowell once referred to this trick. I've since done that particular bobcat slide even one better by scanning at 16 bits on my Minolta 5400 DSE (same shot looked like Hell professionally scanned on an 8-bit Tango, however).
Kodachrome 64 has a long, long toe in the shadows. I do miss this with Fujichrome. Astia 100F has a similar dynamic range but like most Fujichromes tends to get muddy when you try to pull one out of the hat like this.
Pupfish;
Kodachrome 400 was never released to the general public.
PE
Kodachrome 400 was never released to the general public.
PE
Some quick stats from Googling
Text
Kodachrome 1.08 million
Ektachrome 0.29 million
Fujichrome 0.31 million
Velvia 1.03 million (BTW, apparently there are some people named Velvia)
Images
Kodachrome 72K
Velvia 82K
Ektachrome 33K
Fujichrome 24K
Text
Kodachrome 1.08 million
Ektachrome 0.29 million
Fujichrome 0.31 million
Velvia 1.03 million (BTW, apparently there are some people named Velvia)
Images
Kodachrome 72K
Velvia 82K
Ektachrome 33K
Fujichrome 24K
No, of course not. But you could sometimes underexpose K64 by a number of stops, develop it normally, and extract information out of the shadows nevertheless. That was what I described and that was the reference to the late Galen Rowell's "Kodachrome 400" from a long ago Outdoor Photographer article, if memory serves.
While Kodak didn't market it as such, didn't New Lab/Dynacolor/ A&I also offer push processing on K-14, back in the mid to late 80's, when they were also offering next-day courier service on Kodachrome processing, when K200 was in it's heyday? (Never care much for the PKR200 stuff myself, what with the ping-pong ball sized grain and a price of $12/roll).
While Kodak didn't market it as such, didn't New Lab/Dynacolor/ A&I also offer push processing on K-14, back in the mid to late 80's, when they were also offering next-day courier service on Kodachrome processing, when K200 was in it's heyday? (Never care much for the PKR200 stuff myself, what with the ping-pong ball sized grain and a price of $12/roll).
If Galen Rowell wrote his article in the late 80s, he may have trade trialed the 400 speed film.
If any of the Kodachromes was pushed to 400, other than the 200 version, the results would have been pretty poor for Dmax IMHO, and the results would have been unsatisfactory.
But, that is my opinion. I think this should clarify it for the readership though, or a new rumor about 400 speed Kodachrome might start.
PE
If any of the Kodachromes was pushed to 400, other than the 200 version, the results would have been pretty poor for Dmax IMHO, and the results would have been unsatisfactory.
But, that is my opinion. I think this should clarify it for the readership though, or a new rumor about 400 speed Kodachrome might start.
PE
Photo Engineer, Galen Rowell was speaking cheekily about greatly underexposing K64, processing normally and digging the detail out of the murk on a Scitex workstation-- not about using K200 pushed one stop, not about being privy to some trial of K400.
My own pan-masked darkroom results were certainly pushing the envelope; I've since taken numerous bobcat and mountain lion shots that print much more easily, and better.
[With a 16 bit multisampled scan, I did, however, ultimately manage to extract a very marketable image from the aforementioned transparency.]
My own pan-masked darkroom results were certainly pushing the envelope; I've since taken numerous bobcat and mountain lion shots that print much more easily, and better.
[With a 16 bit multisampled scan, I did, however, ultimately manage to extract a very marketable image from the aforementioned transparency.]
While B&H may have run out of Kodachrome due to increasing demand, they still made some money from me on the ripple effect, as I placed an order yesterday for a new 18x24 lightbox to go with an earlier 100-sheet package of slide storage pages.
Just now returned from an afternoon searching out small rural Mom and Pop store fronts along one of the pass roads over the Cascade mountains. Had an abundance of that warm, slanting autumn light to work with. Lots more American flags out on display than usual for this time of year. Not exactly sure why.
In any case, doing my part with four more rolls heading to Dwayne's on Monday...
Ken
Just now returned from an afternoon searching out small rural Mom and Pop store fronts along one of the pass roads over the Cascade mountains. Had an abundance of that warm, slanting autumn light to work with. Lots more American flags out on display than usual for this time of year. Not exactly sure why.
In any case, doing my part with four more rolls heading to Dwayne's on Monday...
Ken
So last Thursday before the regular daily software development meeting where I work, a fellow says to me,
"Ken, what's this I hear that Kodak is dropping Kodachrome?"
Suspicious, I ask, "Did someone here put you up to asking me that?"
"No," he replies sincerely, "I read about it in some article the other day. Is it true? I used to use Kodachrome all the time. They can't kill it."
I pause, then ask,
"Are you still into photography?"
"Yes."
"What kind of camera do you use?"
"A small digital, like everyone else these days."
I simply stare back at him expressionless, without saying a word. After a moment,
"Oh."
More silence, then,
"But I do still have my old Minolta SRT-101. I always liked that camera."
A fine piece of equipment, I acknowledge. Then I explain the current situation regarding Kodachrome, ending with,
"...and it just so happens that come next Monday I'm sending off 3 or 4 rolls of my own to that last-remaining-processor-on-Earth. I'm also reordering some replacements at the same time. Should I add a roll for you to my order?"
"Sure. I'll try it again. That might be fun."
A true story. Kodak lurkers, are you listening...?
Ken
"Ken, what's this I hear that Kodak is dropping Kodachrome?"
Suspicious, I ask, "Did someone here put you up to asking me that?"
"No," he replies sincerely, "I read about it in some article the other day. Is it true? I used to use Kodachrome all the time. They can't kill it."
I pause, then ask,
"Are you still into photography?"
"Yes."
"What kind of camera do you use?"
"A small digital, like everyone else these days."
I simply stare back at him expressionless, without saying a word. After a moment,
"Oh."
More silence, then,
"But I do still have my old Minolta SRT-101. I always liked that camera."
A fine piece of equipment, I acknowledge. Then I explain the current situation regarding Kodachrome, ending with,
"...and it just so happens that come next Monday I'm sending off 3 or 4 rolls of my own to that last-remaining-processor-on-Earth. I'm also reordering some replacements at the same time. Should I add a roll for you to my order?"
"Sure. I'll try it again. That might be fun."
A true story. Kodak lurkers, are you listening...?
Ken
OP
OP
Doing what I can. Three rolls in two weeks. I've started keeping KR64 in one of my bodies at all times.
I currently have 6 rolls left from my freezer, and I guess I'll be one of the ones finding out how long it takes them to restock.
MB
OP
OP
*THIS* is how we nudge Kodachrome back in font of consumers. I promise you that 500K people shooing one roll of Kodachrome every quarter will drive demand up vastly more that if all of the people who read this thread sold 100% of their now tanking GM stock and bought as much Kodachrome as they could.
7dayshop have had stock on order for at least the last 3 weeks. They now show stock status "Plenty", but a note has been added to the description "THIS PRICE IS SET TO SUBSTANTIALLY RISE AS SOON AS CURRENT STOCKS RUN OUT !!! "
While a price rise is never welcome, I think this is a good sign that a new batch has been, or is just about to be, manufactured. Fingers crossed.
Ian
While a price rise is never welcome, I think this is a good sign that a new batch has been, or is just about to be, manufactured. Fingers crossed.
Ian
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