Here: List of repackaged Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films

[MCB18]

So when Aviphot 200 stock is used up, no more Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan?

The film is currently being made, so no need to worry. And as long as areal surveying/surveillance is needed, it will probably continue to exist in some capacity.

 

[GLS]

And those who reported their test results publicly were massively attacked and bashed by Bellamy Hunt for telling the truth.
Because Hunt has told to his customers the marketing fairy tale that the film was "freshly produced" and "exclusively for him", and has "never been on the market". All that nonsense to fool his customers and to hide the scam that it was just old, discontinued, expired film offered at insane high price.
And when this first leftover stock was sold, he just switched to Aviphot Pan 200. Of course without any information to his customers. And with the same ridiculous high price (much higher than all other Aviphot Pan 200 repackaged offerings).

Wow, that's pretty scummy behaviour.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Several years ago, I foolishly bought JC Street Pan before realising that a confidence trickster was behind it. I still have a few rolls in the freezer. There seems to be a few of these guys around

 

[Marcelo Paniagua]

This was really a revelation for me, haha. I have only really used Rollei IR, but it is interesting to note that it is available for less in other packaging. Is Aviphot 200 available in 4x5 and/or 8x10 in any other film other than Rollei IR? I have not really found others in sheets... Honestly, not really my favorite film to use in comparison to Kodak, Fuji and Ilford, but it is the only IR sensitive film around for sheets, it appears...

Probably was answered by other post but there are people here on the forum cutting 4x5 and 8x10 from 9" rolls. I bought a couple of them and cutting them to 4x5 sheets. Bought them from a seller from India on ebay. Although expired, film has turned out well. Cutting rolls to 4x5 isnt really that hard and saves you a ton of money.

Bought 2x 9 7/16in x 250fts. for $250.

If cut at 5 inch long, and then you cut that into 2 4x5, you get about 1200 sheets for each roll (let say 1100 for waste).

Since I bought 2 rolls, I would get about 2200 4x5 sheets, that 11 cents a sheet, which is even cheaper that Arista Ortho.

(hope my mats arent wrong).



Marcelo

 

[Marcelo Paniagua]

It is not a rumor, it is indeed a fact.
When this repackaged stuff was introduced to the market in 2016, it was indeed old, expired leftover stock of long discontinued Aviphot Pan 400. Last coating run of Aviphot Pan 400 at Agfa in Mortsel was already in 2008.

This expired film rests were already detoriated (probably of bad storage at the source bought) and had very high base fog and reduced film speed.
Experienced long-term users of Aviphot Pan 400 (e.g. aerial photographers and traffic surveillance film experts like SPUR in Germany; and film enthusiasts like me and lots of others here on photrio and other film forums, especially in Europe, and facebook photo groups) immediately realized after detailed film tests of Street Pan 400 what this film really was originally.
And those who reported their test results publicly were massively attacked and bashed by Bellamy Hunt for telling the truth.
Because Hunt has told to his customers the marketing fairy tale that the film was "freshly produced" and "exclusively for him", and has "never been on the market". All that nonsense to fool his customers and to hide the scam that it was just old, discontinued, expired film offered at insane high price.
And when this first leftover stock was sold, he just switched to Aviphot Pan 200. Of course without any information to his customers. And with the same ridiculous high price (much higher than all other Aviphot Pan 200 repackaged offerings).

That, or he is very naive person, and someone told the fairytale to him, that the film was made as fresh stock, only for him, etc. Although, based on the few videos/post that I have read/seen from him, he doesnt strikes me as a naive person.

 

[lamerko]

I am looking at the charts for the Superpan 200 and Infrared 400. Unfortunately the chart for the Retro 400S is most likely intentionally not shown. At Superpan 200 it matches AVIPHOT PAN 200 - they actually took the chart from there. The Infrared 400 corresponds to the AVIPHOT PAN 400S, which as far as I know has been discontinued. Strange if they are the same. And to make it more fun, Superpan is on acetate, the rest on PET...

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Not really, @lamerko. Simple reality is that you cannot trust any of the hallucination containing PDF by Rollei, hosted on their site. Pure fiction is what it is.

Fact is: RPX 25, Retro 80S, Superpan 200, Retro 400S and Infrared 400 by Rollei all are Aviphot films. Either 80 or 200 version. All come on PET base that looks the same and smells the same.

Rollei Superpan 200 = Aviphot 200 = PET base. Period.

I guess I'll provide additional information on this issue by taking suspected/known repackaged rolls, rating them the same, shooting them at the same time/same scene, then reverse all the same, only variable being the film itself.
I currently have bulk roll of Superpan 200 and some rolls of Astrum: 100, 200 and 400. I will buy Adox HR-50 again in bulk, and the rest of the rolls by major players - this year to test this out.

 

[lamerko]

Ha! So they say acetate but it's actually PET? Interesting
I also wanted to get a 30 meter roll of HR-50, but of course it's out of stock...

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Yup, they say whatever they think sells I guess. When Aviphot 400 ran out, they didn't bother to disclose/update anything, they just continue their 400 line from Aviphot 200 instead, and call it a day.

PET with that distinct Aviphot smell and look.

 

[lamerko]

Sure. Thank you for the information. I was quite confused by all these different colored packaging

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I'm just an educated witness, repeating what others have said, but welcome!

It'll be a fun day when/if Aviphot 200 gets discontinued. Sudden and small film apocalypse
(let's hope it never comes)

 

[pentaxuser]

That, or he is very naive person, and someone told the fairytale to him, that the film was made as fresh stock, only for him, etc. Although, based on the few videos/post that I have read/seen from him, he doesnt strikes me as a naive person.

I'll take that as the classic "British understatement" in your description This kind of "dubious" behaviour is unfortunately more common place than before and will continue apace as long as those questioning the morality of it have about as much effect as King Canute ordering the tide to turn

pentaxuser

 

[Mos6502]

Has anybody done a recent comparison between Kentmere and its rebrands?

I've been shooting Kentmere 100 since it was introduced. Just recently I tried a roll of Rollei RPX 100. The results were quite different from what I expected. More contrast, less grain. Same developer (D76 1:1 dilution) that I always use with Kentmere. Either my thermometer has broken, or these are not the same film. When it came to printing the RPX required me to use a lower contrast filter than I usually use, the difference in contrast between the films is not a subtle one.

 

[qqphot]

Since basically everything seems to be Aviphot these days, is it possible to just buy bulk rolls of Aviphot and be done with it?

Furthermore, is there any source of the thin-base Aviphot 40? This would be quite helpful for hand cutting and rolling Minox film, and probably an excellent film for shooting in that tiny format.

 

[MCB18]

Since basically everything seems to be Aviphot these days, is it possible to just buy bulk rolls of Aviphot and be done with it?

Furthermore, is there any source of the thin-base Aviphot 40? This would be quite helpful for hand cutting and rolling Minox film, and probably an excellent film for shooting in that tiny format.

Maco Direct said they had Aviphot 200 in 135 and 61.5mm, unfortunately they haven’t responded to my last email so I don’t know if they will actually sell it.

 

[Marcelo Paniagua]

Since basically everything seems to be Aviphot these days, is it possible to just buy bulk rolls of Aviphot and be done with it?

Furthermore, is there any source of the thin-base Aviphot 40? This would be quite helpful for hand cutting and rolling Minox film, and probably an excellent film for shooting in that tiny format.

Well Agfa does technically sell direct but they have a minimal order which is often quite large for one person. If you get to their site you can actually schedule a call with them and a sales representative will reach you if you are serious about ordering from them. I actually got a call from them once but order size was too much for me. Dont remember the minimal size order.

Agfa Aviphot

At the time I was interested on Aviphot Pan 40 since I got hold of some respooled rolls of that and love the film.

 

[Роберт]

Aviphot Pan 80 from Agfa Gevaert, Mortsel, Belgium is also the base for the new Leica iso 50 monochrome film.

Aviphot Pan 80

 

[fdonadio]

there are people here on the forum cutting 4x5 and 8x10 from 9" rolls. I bought a couple of them and cutting them to 4x5 sheets.

Marcelo,

This film’s base thickness is 4 mils (thousandths of an inch), while large format base thickness is 7 mils.

Do you have any problems with film flatness?

 

[MCB18]

Marcelo,

This film’s base thickness is 4 mils (thousandths of an inch), while large format base thickness is 7 mils.

Do you have any problems with film flatness?

Hi, I’m one of the folks cutting down the big rolls! The 4mil (0.1mm) rolls of film are fine for making LF sheets. I have handled it up to 8x10 size and although a bit of extra care needs to be taken when handling then, they’re fine from my experience, and others I talk to that have shot it have said the same. Now, 0.06mm… that is a PITA and should never be cut to sheets.

 

[fdonadio]

Hi, I’m one of the folks cutting down the big rolls! The 4mil (0.1mm) rolls of film are fine for making LF sheets. I have handled it up to 8x10 size and although a bit of extra care needs to be taken when handling then, they’re fine from my experience, and others I talk to that have shot it have said the same. Now, 0.06mm… that is a PITA and should never be cut to sheets.

Thank you so much!

The 0.06mm (2.5 mils) stuff seems to be too thin for mostly everything.

I think I’m gonna get into this bandwagon too, as it’s a very affordable way to shoot large format.

 

[qqphot]

Thank you so much!

The 0.06mm (2.5 mils) stuff seems to be too thin for mostly everything.

I think I’m gonna get into this bandwagon too, as it’s a very affordable way to shoot large format.

might be good for minox! Plus the idea of slitting 9 inch rolls width-wise down into 23 minox rolls is hilarious.

 

[MCB18]

Thank you so much!

The 0.06mm (2.5 mils) stuff seems to be too thin for mostly everything.

I think I’m gonna get into this bandwagon too, as it’s a very affordable way to shoot large format.

The thin stuff is good for rolls, it’s a bit of a pain to load in plastic reels but it does wonderfully in metal reeks

 

[bluechromis]

It would be good to make this thread a sticky.

 

[MCB18]

It would be good to make this thread a sticky.

It is, actually

 

[fdonadio]

might be good for minox! Plus the idea of slitting 9 inch rolls width-wise down into 23 minox rolls is hilarious.

Keeping creative is the key!

But while I still use mainly my Nikon FM2, I want to use larger formats more often. I need to exercise my Hasselblad and lens shutters more often!