Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania

AgX · Aug 4, 2015

Or as my favourite author said:

"In cases of doubt truth decides"

Nzoomed · Aug 5, 2015

FILM Ferrania said:
cmacd123, flavio81 and Ken Nadvornick - you guys pretty much have it right.

Yes i agree with them too!

I hope you guys will have the chiller unit ready by the end of the month.
I cant wait to shoot my first roll!

Black Dog · Aug 6, 2015

I look forward to being able to get your film from Silverprint in London!

wblynch · Aug 6, 2015

Hmmm...

Well, on the other hand, if Ferrania did contract to Inoviscoat for a run or two, (even if it's not the "true" Ferrania formula), there could be an immediate revenue stream to fund the completion of their own facilities.

Plus they can start the finishing, packaging, distribution, sales and marketing operations which don't depend on coolers or steamers.

If I were in their shoes, I would go this route. Call the contracted film, "Limited Reserve" or something to indicate that it is a short lived release.

Get some money rolling in the door...

Photo Engineer · Aug 6, 2015

There is a lot of sense in your answer Bill, but again, I caution that the formula for the coatings in the two locales would be different and someone would have to do the development work on these two formulas (and pay for them).

It is a two edged sword....

PE

wblynch · Aug 6, 2015

Photo Engineer said:
...but again, I caution that the formula for the coatings in the two locales would be different...

Certainly, but i'm sure there's a generic off-the-shelf formula that the contractor could supply. Point being to get something decent on the street.

Name it "Fast Fury" or "Dirty Dog"

Nzoomed · Aug 6, 2015

Photo Engineer said:
There is a lot of sense in your answer Bill, but again, I caution that the formula for the coatings in the two locales would be different and someone would have to do the development work on these two formulas (and pay for them).

It is a two edged sword....

PE

Either way its going to pay off for Ferrania in the long term by getting all the hard yards completed and having a fully self contained facility where they can produce film.

Im getting excited!

cmacd123 · Aug 6, 2015

I would guess that everything they learn about getting the modified Coater up and running with "Scotch Chrome" would be valuable knowledge when the time comes to get the "gap filler" products out of mothballs. A 400D and perhaps a 640T. to cover off the stuff that fuji has been abandoning, and a 40T for all the super 8 cameras with one trick pony light meters. (and 8 and 16mm cameras in General with the comon #85 filter giving a quite usable ASA 25 out in the wilds when your fixed shutter speed is a 60th of a second.

Roger Cole · Aug 7, 2015

A 100 daylight, a 400 daylight and a 640T would be an awesome set of good E6 emulsions to have available.

If they get all that, maybe they can start making a type R paper and chems...

And then I woke up.

I'll settle for a 400D to replace Provia 400X, and a 100D for the inevitable day Provia 100F goes away. If it's a bit more like Astia or E100G that's a bonus.

flavio81 · Aug 7, 2015

Roger Cole said:
A 100 daylight, a 400 daylight and a 640T would be an awesome set of good E6 emulsions to have available.

If they get all that, maybe they can start making a type R paper and chems...

Great ideas.

If they manufacture 640T let's make sure they do it in 120 format as well -- where the grain won't be a problem anymore, and the ultra fast speed would be really welcome.

ME Super · Aug 7, 2015

flavio81 said:
Great ideas.

If they manufacture 640T let's make sure they do it in 120 format as well -- where the grain won't be a problem anymore, and the ultra fast speed would be really welcome.

Agreed. A 640T + 85 filter only drops the EI to 400. A 400 + 80A drops the EI to 100. However, there was some talk of a daylight balanced 800/3200P, and if that were available it just might be more versatile than a 640T. But either way, I'm glad these guys have some skin in the game, even if they're behind schedule. Sounds like once they get the big chiller though, they're probably good to go on the 100D.

Nzoomed · Aug 19, 2015

Who's getting excited? Im expecting we will hear an announcement in a few days once the chiller has been installed!
Fingers crossed everything has gone to plan!

Xmas · Aug 19, 2015

ME Super said:
Agreed. A 640T + 85 filter only drops the EI to 400. A 400 + 80A drops the EI to 100. However, there was some talk of a daylight balanced 800/3200P, and if that were available it just might be more versatile than a 640T. But either way, I'm glad these guys have some skin in the game, even if they're behind schedule. Sounds like once they get the big chiller though, they're probably good to go on the 100D.

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Was there a T?

Does anyone have tungsten studios or tungsten gigs?

cmacd123 · Aug 19, 2015

Xmas said:
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Was there a T?

Does anyone have tungsten studios or tungsten gigs?

I movie practice T film is common, and a lot of "available darkness" situations are still (and for years to come) be lit with practical (Ie existing fixtures located and working in the location) fixtures that tend to Tungsten colouration even if they are actually populated by LED or Florescent sources.

As has been pointed out offering a the 640 as a T version would mean that it could be used as a 400D with a simple 85 or 85A filter that is always available to movie shooters and is inexpensive for Still Shooters. Having the highest speed film as a T balance is a bit of a tradition, some with beards as white as mine may remember Anscochrome 500T

flavio81 · Aug 19, 2015

cmacd123 said:
I movie practice T film is common, and a lot of "available darkness" situations are still (and for years to come) be lit with practical (Ie existing fixtures located and working in the location) fixtures that tend to Tungsten colouration even if they are actually populated by LED or Florescent sources.

As has been pointed out offering a the 640 as a T version would mean that it could be used as a 400D with a simple 85 or 85A filter that is always available to movie shooters and is inexpensive for Still Shooters. Having the highest speed film as a T balance is a bit of a tradition, some with beards as white as mine may remember Anscochrome 500T

+1

In my city I find lots of night situations that call for tungsten balance. And halogen (incandescent) lighting is very popular at home interiors here.

Xmas · Aug 20, 2015

flavio81 said:
+1

In my city I find lots of night situations that call for tungsten balance. And halogen (incandescent) lighting is very popular at home interiors here.

Thanks it is not like that here I bought a box of bulbs for my enlarger before they disappeared from normal shops.

but was the 640 in the link a T film?

Ferranni will only be reengineering initially, lots of people could live with a 650 daylight, we never see the strange yellow ball in the sky here, just low dark grey cloud, and wet pavements.

Nzoomed · Aug 26, 2015

Bumping for FilmFerrania!

Fingers crossed its good news!

Roger Cole · Aug 26, 2015

Xmas said:
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Was there a T?

Does anyone have tungsten studios or tungsten gigs?

I have tungsten lights, and I'm planning to set them up for some portraiture and still lifes.

bruniroquai · Aug 27, 2015

So at the end, when are We gonna see a slide from ferrania?

Ricardo Miranda · Aug 27, 2015

When it is ready.
Keep your eyes here and on their website.
You can subscribe to this thread and have the forum sent you a message when there are news.

Xmas · Aug 27, 2015

Roger Cole said:
I have tungsten lights, and I'm planning to set them up for some portraiture and still lifes.

Super but a T film needs a fast blue layer if they did not have one an aeon ago the chances of one now are smaller?
So can anyone recall? I can't recall 2004...

Roger Cole · Aug 27, 2015

But probably mostly for black and white.

None the less much low available light is tungsten or at least closer to tungsten than to daylight in color temperature.

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flavio81 · Aug 27, 2015

Xmas said:
Thanks it is not like that here I bought a box of bulbs for my enlarger before they disappeared from normal shops.

but was the 640 in the link a T film?

Yes, the only ISO 640 color film made by 3M/Ferrania was the 640T tungsten slide film.
I'm eager to have them manufacture it again. They do have the formulas and the rights to use the formula, and the factory, so it's not impossible. On the other hand, it is not as easy as "just follow the recipe"; they will have to re-engineer it for the available chemicals, re-scaled process, etc.

bruniroquai · Aug 28, 2015

Ricardo Miranda said:
When it is ready.
Keep your eyes here and on their website.
You can subscribe to this thread and have the forum sent you a message when there are news.

I am

Prest_400 · Aug 28, 2015

Perhaps there will be a (minor) update on their status by the beginning of September. Usually August is a holiday month and even if not, things tend to go slower.

As of the possibility of a 640T... Let's see in the mid future. If Ferrania can do quite small batches, and once they have some inertia, they could do small runs of this kind of films.
When I got into photography (2008), it was just Fujichrome 64T, at least the one I saw around. But for ciné people (and stills) it can be interesting to have a 640T-400D(Filtered) film.

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