Guilty as charged. I just couldn't help myself. I almost named it SeanChrome, but it just didn't seem right to drag the innocent down that path with me.
Ken
Wouldn't you be worried about it straying off target?:munch:
The other model that I have seen used, perhaps because of Political considerations at a certain large company in Rochester NY was for a small dealer to do final converting on a product before providing it to the end users.
The Example I an thinking of is John Schwind ( http://internationalfilm.weebly.com/ ). He was able to get a Large order of various film stocks perforated as Regular 8 (2R1500) but only on 400ft cores. He arranged to get spools and Cans (apparently originally made by the Russian CIBMA factory) and re spooled the regular 8 stock for end users. He still apparently still has some 7285 which he had to call "Cinechrome 100D" as Kodak would not allow him to use the Kodak name on repacked film.
He also stocks Tri-X reversal in double perf 16mm format (2R) for those with older 16mm cameras who can't use the more common single perf (AKA Super16) film.
Having a designated dealer for certain unusual stocks may be a workable model.
The Example I an thinking of is John Schwind ( http://internationalfilm.weebly.com/ ). He was able to get a Large order of various film stocks perforated as Regular 8 (2R1500) but only on 400ft cores. He arranged to get spools and Cans (apparently originally made by the Russian CIBMA factory) and re spooled the regular 8 stock for end users. He still apparently still has some 7285 which he had to call "Cinechrome 100D" as Kodak would not allow him to use the Kodak name on repacked film.
He also stocks Tri-X reversal in double perf 16mm format (2R) for those with older 16mm cameras who can't use the more common single perf (AKA Super16) film.
APUGChrome???
Wouldn't you be worried about it straying off target?:munch:
Thanks for the link. I have an older 16mm camera that requires double perf film and it appears that Kodak no longer stocks that.
Dave
You're making me nervous, now I'm thinking and wondering if the camera my grandfather used was single or double perf...
So there's a possibility of doing a "small" orders for customers?
These are just ideas, at this point, and are dependent on quite a number of other things falling into place first.
I was looking at getting a bolex camera, i assumed that all these older cameras were double perf since they did not have sound.
Perhaps not? I only thought newer cameras that had sound or were super 16mm were single perf.
You're making me nervous, now I'm thinking and wondering if the camera my grandfather used was single or double perf...
Most 16mm camera film used to be sold double perfed. (even for productions with sound - since sound was generally double system) so A lot of cameras were made with double perf sprockets. Many Many more were made with single pref sprockets, and those can take both double and single perf stock.
some filmmakers came up with the idea of enlarging the gate on a movie camera to allow the image to also use the area where the second row of perforations was originally placed. the film could then be enlarged in printing to 35mm or scanned to wide screen video. This method was called "Super 16"
Kodak liked the idea as it made film origination more ecconomical, and so encouraged film use, so they changed the default stocked format of 16mm Camera stock to single perf. This of course causes problems if you have an older camera with double perf sprokets, or one with the pull down claw on the "soundtrack" side.
This is why a couple of hundred posts back someone was asking FILMFerrania if they were going to make double perf 16mm stock, which Dave said was not in the initial batch plan.
Since you are in NYC, take the camera in to DUall http://www.duallcamera.com/ and they can tell you if it needs to be modified.
How was sound recorded onto 16mm on such systems?
Magnetic 16mm is not available anymore and very few 16mm cameras record optically that i can see.
With a darkroom you can respool to transpose the single perf side and recan...Most 16mm camera film used to be sold double perfed. (even for productions with sound - since sound was generally double system) so A lot of cameras were made with double perf sprockets. Many Many more were made with single pref sprockets, and those can take both double and single perf stock.
some filmmakers came up with the idea of enlarging the gate on a movie camera to allow the image to also use the area where the second row of perforations was originally placed. the film could then be enlarged in printing to 35mm or scanned to wide screen video. This method was called "Super 16"
Kodak liked the idea as it made film origination more ecconomical, and so encouraged film use, so they changed the default stocked format of 16mm Camera stock to single perf. This of course causes problems if you have an older camera with double perf sprokets, or one with the pull down claw on the "soundtrack" side.
This is why a couple of hundred posts back someone was asking FILMFerrania if they were going to make double perf 16mm stock, which Dave said was not in the initial batch plan.
Since you are in NYC, take the camera in to DUall http://www.duallcamera.com/ and they can tell you if it needs to be modified.
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Dual perforated B&W 16mm is still being made and sold fresh: http://www.fomafoto.com/index.php/v...apan-100r-16mm-30-5m-double-perforated-detail
I'm going to give you a suggestion: if you want to see Ferrania doing a colour version of 16mm double perforated, why not buy the Fomapan 100R B&W film?
You will be showing there is a market for it.
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But you asked how it was done pro people used to use 16 mm like that not many home users shot 'in cam' sound, maybe some news gather people might have.Yeah, thats OK if your into movie production, but for a few home movies i would make, its not convenient. I dont know how you could synchronise when being projected either. if you were scanning it to digital that would be easier, but defeats the whole purpose of using my projector.
If only magnetic sound film was still available, if ferrania could pull this off, it would be a big deal to the film community.
our local stockist only holds single so if you making film you may need to preorder for 2nd takes etc.
Some pro cine people shoot with hybrid cameras and can reduce 2nd takes, 3rd...
Some productions are done on other people's recans...
I can use ex-cine in my sub min cams
Another Question Dave.
Regarding formats such as 126, who makes the plastic film cartridges for this?
Did Ferrania have their own injection moulding equipment to make them, or did they buy them off another supplier?
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