please see post #20
Question to Dave:
is there a calendar of sort, for Ferrania Chrome production?
Like: "June 2015: regular production OK, start of online sales; Oct 2015: production increased, start of channel sales; Feb 2016: introduction of 400 iso film" and so on.
Or is too early for such plans?
While I'd love to see such a schedule, I think it may be a bit optimistic. The original plan was to introduce their first film in the first three months of 2014. Instead, we've seen it creep to April of 2015. But that's okay, because they've been planning to have a factory that can make film profitably for the forseeable future. I'd rather they take the time to make their factory right sized, than make film for 6 months and then go out of business again. Likewise, with the 400 and 800/3200 films they've talked about in this very thread, there may be some schedule slip but I'd rather see that than have it not available at all.
We've seen schedules slip with Adox, and I'd not be surprised to see some post-April 2014 schedule slip with the 400 and 800/3200 films. But that's okay, they will get there.
Go Ferrania!
Now back to Ferrania(with an A at the end and only one N...)
No. This is a matter of physics being against you. It cannot be solved, but can be reduced by contrast masking and color masking.
As for reds in detail, here is a normally exposed slide, scanned (to get things into APUG we have to scan them in you know), and the original is EPP with the subjects being 3 racial types, 3 hair types, and 3 levels of detail in reds. You see, I have done this over and over and over so I have objective tests for comparison. Included with this are type R and type C. Some of them included Ektaflex prints and Cibachrome prints.
And yes, scanning introduces aliasing which is also present in this scan. It also works to make some very fine grained images look worse than they are. (think Ektar) The originals of this slide (+1, N, -1) and the Agfachrome, Fujichrome, Kodachrome and corresponding negative films were all shot with Nikon cameras with the standard lenses under rigid studio conditions.
The faces are blocked as I do not own the copyright nor do I have releases. These are 3 previously undocumented Kodak Girls BTW.
PE
I pity poor Dave Bias plowing through this concatenation of mostly irrelevant posts looking for questions directly related to Ferrania. If he gives up on this thread, it will be the fault of those who keep taking the thread off on tangents.
I would love if FILM Ferrania has a limited edition metal screw in case like this!!! So many times I'm out in the field and wish I had more than 2 to protect from the bright sun, I also shoot IR so this is more important for that film, but still I would love some of those!
Might FILMferrania come out with some of these as a promotional items?
Thanks for explaining, I agree the reds have a lot of loss of detail (even the navy blue looks like it might have lost detail) however I really like the colors in this image, they "pop" and I like it, EPP? Wow I don't remember it being so saturated.
Thanks for explaining.
Would be cool if they did, but i doubt they have the machinery to make those metal canisters, no doubt they got someone else to make them.
I really like the retro packaging on that box though, i hope they use a similar design and logo on the new films, keep it retro i say!
Should the new films be called Ferraniacolour or ferraniachrome?
the word "chrome" usually suggests that its a slide film, interesting that their early reversal films used "color" since that would normally suggest a negative film to me.
I have been thinking that it's possible that the reason that these films were originally called "chrome" had nothing to do with being a transparency and had to do with being a black-and-white film and a chrome look, after all if you remember, Kodachrome is a black-and-white film with dies added afterward, so really all the other chrome transparencies are incorrectly named in a way.
But yes today when we hear chrome we think of E-6/transparency and "color" we think C-41.
Usually, unless you're an idiot company like Lomorgraphy with their Lomochrome Purple..
Then again, there's Kodak Vericrhome, but that wasn't really Kodak's formula and they bought it and I think just never changed the name? When they went to update it they weren't about to change it so Verichromd Pan was born, however I have been thinking that it's possible that the reason that these films were originally called "chrome" had nothing to do with being a transparency and had to do with being a black-and-white film and a chrome look, after all if you remember, Kodachrome is a black-and-white film with dies added afterward, so really all the other chrome transparencies are incorrectly named in a way.
But yes today when we hear chrome we think of E-6/transparency and "color" we think C-41.
I agree they probably don't have the machinery, but then again I don't know, these days with new machinery anything is possible it could be a stamp on demand product from some metal worker?
Again I was talking as a promotional item not something that would be cheap to buy anyway. Just nifty, and another object to get people talking about the film.
Should the new films be called Ferraniacolour or ferraniachrome?
Usually, unless you're an idiot company like Lomorgraphy with their Lomochrome Purple..
Then again, there's Kodak Vericrhome, but that wasn't really Kodak's formula and they bought it and I think just never changed the name? When they went to update it they weren't about to change it so Verichromd Pan was born, however I have been thinking that it's possible that the reason that these films were originally called "chrome" had nothing to do with being a transparency and had to do with being a black-and-white film and a chrome look, after all if you remember, Kodachrome is a black-and-white film with dies added afterward, so really all the other chrome transparencies are incorrectly named in a way.
But yes today when we hear chrome we think of E-6/transparency and "color" we think C-41.
I agree they probably don't have the machinery, but then again I don't know, these days with new machinery anything is possible it could be a stamp on demand product from some metal worker?
Again I was talking as a promotional item not something that would be cheap to buy anyway. Just nifty, and another object to get people talking about the film.
Yes, good idea!
On the topic of Ilfochrome/Cibachrome, there is a big hole in the market for printing on such paper.
Since this was made in Switzerland, its only across the border if it was possible to acquire the machinery made.
But i have no idea on the scale of their operations, nor if Ilfords machinery is still there.
But if the equipment did still exist and was not too much to move out, could this be something possibly that ferrania could acquire and start a paper business?
AFAIK, there is not any other printing process out there that has the same dye stability, if there is, i want to know!
I would be more than happy to fund a separate kickstarter for such a project if ferrania were up to the challenge.
So if your reading this Dave, is this something you are up to?
Or is it possible with your coater to produce such papers without requiring their machinery?
I know someone has asked you about papers earlier, so maybe this may be along those lines too.
I am still reading, but as this thread goes fractal, I'm not seeing many questions...
Photographic paper is not on our radar at the moment and will not be for a very long time... We are, however, keeping our eyes peeled for just about any kind of equipment that can be purchased and relocated to Italy for bargain prices. If you know about something in particular, we would love to know about it.
Go Ferrania...
I look forward to following your critical path efforts to bring to market a first run batch of a new 100-speed E-6 film in four formats, two of them cine. I also look forward to hearing about any progress on the tooling and machinery tasks as well, given that demolition deadlines may be looming.
Ken
We in the US office are desperately begging our cohorts in Italy to take a photo or two and share with us. But this is honestly the last thing on their minds and we'd rather let them keep doing what they're doing and not bug them so much about showing us what they're doing.
Soon, we have an Italian enthusiast visiting the team whose job it is to extract some good content we can share with the world. Soon...
I am still reading, but as this thread goes fractal, I'm not seeing many questions...
Photographic paper is not on our radar at the moment and will not be for a very long time... We are, however, keeping our eyes peeled for just about any kind of equipment that can be purchased and relocated to Italy for bargain prices. If you know about something in particular, we would love to know about it.
I think if you can somehow manage to sneak some pictures out it might help give everyone a little bit more incentive to speculate more realistically on what is, or might be, happening.
Observation too narrow. Applies to homo sapiens in general. Many times even guidance doesn't keep things on track....Without any (passive) guidance and left to their own devices, the norm around here is to just go bonkers off the deep end...
I would love if FILM Ferrania has a limited edition metal screw in case like this!!! So many times I'm out in the field and wish I had more than 2 to protect from the bright sun, I also shoot IR so this is more important for that film, but still I would love some of those!
What about a light-tight (not checked for IR yet) plastic cannister as this?
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