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One item that has affected my local lab is that apparently the "PAKO" style plastic mounts that their mounting machine was set up to use have disappeared. they sent my slides back in sleeves and I had to mount them myself. Fortunately cardboard mounts are still available. I would be afraid that many labs might junk their mounting machine if they run out of mounts, and so just getting a supplier to make similar mounts may not be sufficient to get the mounting service back....

This is why we appreciate Kodak's very loud voice. Their CES announcement will do more to make people "wake up" to the changes in the industry than anything we would say or do at this very early point in our own evolution.

If we can simply add one more voice, perhaps we can help in our own small way to help stop the decay.
 

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Hi Matte, may I ask where acquired your light panel from?
Amazon.ca - I'll send you a "Conversation".
It was less than $60.00 CDN, and shipping from the Amazon warehouse just a few miles away was free.
 

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Such light box can serve several purposes. One should not deduce from the appearance of such new model at a greater interest in slide photography.

I certainly agree, what I mean is that this object is marked "Kaiser", a brand of photographic products, and is sold by a photographic dealer, even though the purpose of the object goes beyond photography (that was always true also for old and clumsy boxes with a lamp inside) it means not everybody stopped working on that. Kaiser had to buy some quantity, make an investment, "bet" on this product. They certainly examined the operation from a business viewpoint.

Basically, it's nice to see that it's not only old inventories on the market, that there are signs of life :smile:
 

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I agree. But here at Apug typically everyone choses the example that fits his views. I can also give current examples of reduced lab-processing of E-6 films, as well for still- as cine-film.
Also, markets differ geographically. And, markets due to internet sales are much harder to surveil.
That all makes talking about trends quite tricky.


By the way, Kaiser is still a manufacturer. For part of their range. Though I can't say for sure about that light box.
 
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I got my first roll of Ferrania Solaris I have ever shot developed today!

Here are the results, all on the same roll.

I find I have more trouble exposing C41 films than E6, yet its supposed to be more tolerant than E6 to incorrect exposure?

I dont mind the washed out look, kinda looks retro but to my eyes those shots appear overexposed, as some have vibrant colour, IDK, was shot on an XA3 and my E6 usually turns out perfect on this camera.
 

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What is interesting in this is that there is people which is working at making a new product that can basically be used only for slide film. Gives me optimism.

Light boxes are also used by graphic artists and hobbyists for tracing. Much more popular for this purpose now, if Amazon search is anything to go by.
 

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Hey nice! When did it expire?
Seller from Greece claimed it was cold stored, Date stamped on the boxes is 06/2010. Im unsure if this is date of manufacture or expiry, it does not say. Probably one of the last coatings made by Big Boy...
I bought a brick off ebay, I think the seller still has plenty available in various speeds.
 

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I got my first roll of Ferrania Solaris I have ever shot developed today!

Here are the results, all on the same roll.

I find I have more trouble exposing C41 films than E6, yet its supposed to be more tolerant than E6 to incorrect exposure?

I dont mind the washed out look, kinda looks retro but to my eyes those shots appear overexposed, as some have vibrant colour, IDK, was shot on an XA3 and my E6 usually turns out perfect on this camera.

Did you have the pictures printed? Did you make the scans yourself?

Some images have a magenta cast (e.g. 21, 40), one appears to have a yellowish cast (39), some appear to be well colour balanced. I think this is the result more of filtration than of film age. I would expect an expired film to show the same colour shift across the entire roll.

Also, appearance on different monitors can vary depending on the monitor "calibration", or lack thereof.
 

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Did you have the pictures printed? Did you make the scans yourself?

Some images have a magenta cast (e.g. 21, 40), one appears to have a yellowish cast (39), some appear to be well colour balanced. I think this is the result more of filtration than of film age. I would expect an expired film to show the same colour shift across the entire roll.

Also, appearance on different monitors can vary depending on the monitor "calibration", or lack thereof.

Ciao Diapositivo,

Yesterday i picked up (from the lab) a contact print from Lomography Color Negative 800 aka Ferrania Solaris 800.
Grainy film, but colors were very very good, to be honest. Good as in "natural and good looking".
I've also used Solaris 100 under it's "Lomography" branding and it was very good.

Maybe in 35mm compared directly to a super high tech film like Portra 160 it will perhaps not fare as good, but for most general purposes a fine, perfectly good film.
 

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Did you have the pictures printed? Did you make the scans yourself?

Some images have a magenta cast (e.g. 21, 40), one appears to have a yellowish cast (39), some appear to be well colour balanced. I think this is the result more of filtration than of film age. I would expect an expired film to show the same colour shift across the entire roll.

Also, appearance on different monitors can vary depending on the monitor "calibration", or lack thereof.

I must admit that all these scans are just done in the lab on their (probably) very fast scanner which i suspect they just use for doing their cheap digital prints, that i never ask for, I just ask to have the scans put on CD.

Ive seen similar results with other films, so I expect its either more to do with the colour balance when scanned, or the way the film was exposed.

Take 39 and 40 for example, 40 was probably pointing into the light source, there appears to be alot of reflection on the water, so the camera could not get a proper exposure.
on 39, its taken from the same place I was standing, but the camera pointing in the opposite direction and the colour balance looks perfect, same thing goes with image 19 and 21, being shot from different angles.
Im happy with the colour balance on all shots 31-39, 19 also looks OK.

I agree - I doubt it has anything to do with the age of the film.
Its just a compact camera this was shot on, so no filters are used, my Pentax Spotmatic only has a UV filter on the lens i shoot with.
 
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in general Colour negative tolerates OVER exposure quite well, while E6 fails rapidly in over exposure. Colour Negative DOES NOT LIKE to be under exposed. Some photographers will use ISO 320 for ISO 400 Colour negative.
 

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After looking at the scans, I'm scratching my head why anyone would want to shoot Ferrania Solaris.
 

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This is some repackaged expired 200 I shot a year or so ago. I gotta say them colors is nice.

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After looking at the scans, I'm scratching my head why anyone would want to shoot Ferrania Solaris.
I dont see any issues with the results posted, and there are many other good examples on flickr if you look :smile:
 

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After looking at the scans, I'm scratching my head why anyone would want to shoot Ferrania Solaris.

It's not Ferrania Solaris, it's any colour picture.
You are seeing the result of a scanning process and of your monitor colour shift.

In order to judge the ability of a film to render accurately colours, you have first to "calibrate" your monitor, then you have to correctly color balance the scan (which is not something that can necessarily be done automatically, just like filtration when colour printing) and finally when you show somebody else the pictures, somebody else must have a "calibrated" monitor as well.
Otherwise, the result it's all chance.

This picture had a yellow dominant on my monitor. Corrected, it is balanced on my monitor, but it might appear as having a blue dominant on the monitor it was scanned with (actually this still has a cyan shift on my monitor I did not try to balance it exactly, I just wanted to make my point clearer).
 

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It's not Ferrania Solaris, it's any colour picture.
You are seeing the result of a scanning process and of your monitor colour shift.

In order to judge the ability of a film to render accurately colours, you have first to "calibrate" your monitor, then you have to correctly color balance the scan (which is not something that can necessarily be done automatically, just like filtration when colour printing) and finally when you show somebody else the pictures, somebody else must have a "calibrated" monitor as well.
Otherwise, the result it's all chance.

This picture had a yellow dominant on my monitor. Corrected, it is balanced on my monitor, but it might appear as having a blue dominant on the monitor it was scanned with (actually this still has a cyan shift on my monitor I did not try to balance it exactly, I just wanted to make my point clearer).

Very true. I've been convinced for many years that any colour film will give excellent results with proper processing and printing (or, these days, scanning).
In the past I've had rubbish from the best fresh Kodak films and so-called "professional" labs (that's criticising the labs, not Kodak), yet last year I had an Orwocolor C-41, expired 1992, film processed and printed by a good owner-operated minilab....24 technically perfect prints, and I'm a bit of a perfectionist !
 

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Another question i have is regarding the orange mask, this seems to vary greatly between films, the ferrania seems lighter than the fuji and Kodak, and my fuji seems to be the darkest.
 

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Another question i have is regarding the orange mask, this seems to vary greatly between films, the ferrania seems lighter than the fuji and Kodak, and my fuji seems to be the darkest.

Yes, but what is the question?

The orange mask is to correct for dye errors (deviations from the ideal color). Each manufacturer will use what will correct the errors.

At least this is what I understood from master P.E.
 

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Yes, but what is the question?

The orange mask is to correct for dye errors (deviations from the ideal color). Each manufacturer will use what will correct the errors.

At least this is what I understood from master P.E.


OK, I thought the scanner had to be calibrated for each type of film?
Or else why do I see all these different colour profiles listed for various films?
 
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