Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[Nzoomed]

Oh I know I can still get it, if I want to pay what it costs now. It's pretty rediculous though, doubly so if I paid shipping from Europe. Last I looked (last week) I could get some from US sources but at about $30 a roll. Compare to about $10 for Provia 100F or 400x before it was discontinued. I have enough in my freezer to last through 2016 for my needs.



I processed a lot of E6 by hand before I had a Jobo and never once "stuffed up" a single roll. While they list very critical temperatures they really aren't as critical as claimed, if you don't demand absolute professional level consistency for, say, advertising, which no one does anymore. I used a big tub of tempering water and put my solutions into metal softdrink cans (carefully labeled and used only during processing) because they transmit temperature changes quicker. Only the first developer is critical. The color developer is "sort of critical compared to black and white" but not nearly as much as the first developer. It's a bit hectic but I wouldn't call it difficult.

Ok i should try it some time.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Why not give this a rest until product begins shipping. Then, rave away!

PE

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Because it may represent our last best hope for long-term sustained availability of color photographic film. Especially E-6 color film. So people are pretty excited.



Ken

 

[FILM Ferrania]

I'm guessing such an automated system must be targeted toward those who have never hand-processed film before? And may perhaps be somewhat put off by a perception that it's really hard to do manually? Because that's certainly a lot of automation for what is essentially a very simple task. Unless, of course, one doesn't know how simple it really is.

In any case, I support anything that will move people, especially newcomers, into the film realm. There is also this less automated solution, for those who may already have an investment in a separate developing tank system:

TAS Film Processor

Ken

Maybe Ferrania downloaded the patent info and purchased some extended know-how for Kodachrome 64...*



Ken

* Kidding, Dave. Just kidding. Really. Honest.

That's funny, Ken! Are you trying to start another 100 page thread?!?

 

[Nzoomed]

That's funny, Ken! Are you trying to start another 100 page thread?!?

There will be a far longer thread if its announced about a launch of Ferraniachrome 64 with the F-14 process!

 

[Photo Engineer]

Regarding APUG then, when all is said and done, more said than done!

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

APUG is not the enemy of film photography.

I think the possibility of a renewed long-term source of consumer transparency film is a good thing. That is what is being celebrated. Can Film Ferrania actually pull it off? Don't know. Time will tell. I've placed my KS bet, so in my case more has been done than said. But even if they don't pull it off, at least they dared greatly, and their place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

And that fact alone would succeed in making my KS pledge worthwhile. Even if I never saw a single film reward.



Ken

 

[trythis]

Great news, They posted an interview and discussed the new film being produced first!

Dead Link Removed:

An excerpt:

For market strategy reasons, the first film produced by FILM Ferrania will be a color reversal film in the following speeds: 64D, 100D, 200D, 400D, 640T, 800/3200T. Subsequently the introduction of a negative film is also scheduled (derived from last Solaris film) in 100, 200 and 400 ISO speeds. The release date of the negative film will depend on the market demand. Regarding black & white film, we think that at this moment there are excellent products (Ilford, FOMA, Orwo) already in the market. Therefore, we prefer to concentrate on color that from the production point of view is far more critical than black & white. With that said, for special products like the historic Ferrania P30 that was used for the greatest masterpieces of Italian cinema, we are certainly considering a small production in limited edition.​

 

[pbromaghin]

Did you hear about the Lindbergh Baby?

 

[FILM Ferrania]

The team has begun to climatize the the building.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

 

[Nzoomed]

GO FILM FERRANIA!

 

[railwayman3]

Because it may represent our last best hope for long-term sustained availability of color photographic film. Especially E-6 color film. So people are pretty excited.



Ken

Agreed....and not forgetting that we currently have only ONE source of quality fresh transparency film (Fuji)......"Agfa" is made by them, while Kodak has deserted us.
If Fuji change their minds on future production, that's it for we slide enthusiasts without Ferrania.....it will be a case of "anyone have a cheap digital projector for sale?".

 

[MattKing]

Agreed....and not forgetting that we currently have only ONE source of quality fresh transparency film (Fuji)......"Agfa" is made by them, while Kodak has deserted us.
If Fuji change their minds on future production, that's it for we slide enthusiasts without Ferrania.....it will be a case of "anyone have a cheap digital projector for sale?".

With the exception of the millions of feet of ECN process movie film - both taking and projection stock - that Kodak still produces.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

With the exception of the millions of feet of ECN process movie film - both taking and projection stock - that Kodak still produces.

Unfortunately that's not a consumer grade color transparency still film. But whoo boy, if it was, we'd all be pigs in mud...

The remaining Fujifilm consumer transparency film hangs by a tattered thread. Fujifilm execs have been quoted as saying in response to desperate questions regarding the future availability of their photographic films... "We make film??"



At least Kodak was up front about it. Kodak just dragged theirs kicking and screaming out back behind the shed and summarily executed them all. Along with all of their related family and servants. Not even the dog survived.



So what are we supposed to do?

Ken

 

[Photo Engineer]

Friday, CNN was in Rochester filming (taping I think) a documentary on Kodak's new 8mm camera. While here, they filmed Mark and Nick at GEH making their own film from scratch - emulsion, slitting, perfing and then putting the film into 35mm casettes. https://www.facebook.com/mark.osterman.3

PE

 

[MattKing]

So what are we supposed to do?

Get Tarantino shooting Vision film in a Leica, and give him his own Ektagraphic projector.

 

[cmacd123]

With the exception of the millions of feet of ECN process movie film - both taking and projection stock - that Kodak still produces.

But that has NOTHING to do with transparency film!

ECN is short for "Eastman Colour Negative" - Now you can contact print it on ECP "Eastman Colour Print" But that is hard to acheve for a still photographer.

 

[MattKing]

But that has NOTHING to do with transparency film!

ECN is short for "Eastman Colour Negative" - Now you can contact print it on ECP "Eastman Colour Print" But that is hard to acheve for a still photographer.

I agree that there isn't any anyone out there now doing this. But it certainly could be done, and i n this world where so much is being sent by mail it may make a lot of sense - maybe more sense than trying to add E6 capacity.

A service that supplies transparencies, prints and high quality scans would be attractive to me.

 

[iandvaag]

Regarding ECP -- doesn't it fade quite quickly? I understood that being designed for the theaters, it didn't need to last very long (only the few weeks/months that theaters were playing the film). If they replayed the film, they could just re-print from the ECN master, if I understand correctly. I agree though -- it would certainly be great to have another creative option for obtaining slides, and potentially more viable than E6 in the long run I suppose.

I wonder if Kodak -- with their announcement of the new 8mm camera -- will offer ECP prints along with processing. I don't know that the negative would be of any use/interest to most people. As far as I know, no one in the past offered prints from 8mm ECN, maybe Kodak will have to manufacture a new printing machine. But that's getting off topic now.

 

[railwayman3]

Regarding ECP -- doesn't it fade quite quickly? I understood that being designed for the theaters, it didn't need to last very long (only the few weeks/months that theaters were playing the film). If they replayed the film, they could just re-print from the ECN master, if I understand correctly. I agree though -- it would certainly be great to have another creative option for obtaining slides, and potentially more viable than E6 in the long run I suppose.

Certainly the older Eastmancolor movies had a big fading problem (finishing up in shades of pink!), which is well-known to film historians. I also have some slides from Woodmansterne from the 1960's - 70's which have faded in the same way (they used to produce sets of slides for sale at tourist attractions, I believe made from 5x4 colour negs printed onto Eastman film, actually very high quality in both photography and colours when new.)

Kodak in the UK at one time also offered a service through dealers for slides from 35mm negs.....I have some of these dated 1974, from my late Father, and, oddly enough, these have not faded to any extent. Did they use some print film different from the movie versions?

 

[AgX]

Agreed....and not forgetting that we currently have only ONE source of quality fresh transparency film (Fuji)......"Agfa" is made by them, while Kodak has deserted us.

No, the "AgfaPhoto" Version is made by Fuji.

And there still is the last stock of true Agfa reversal film.

 

[MartinP]

Kodak in the UK at one time also offered a service through dealers for slides from 35mm negs.....I have some of these dated 1974, from my late Father, and, oddly enough, these have not faded to any extent. Did they use some print film different from the movie versions?

There was an inter-negative film made for slides from prints and another for prints from slides (as well as direct reversal materials). Whichever way the customer wanted to go, there were materials made for the job. Of course these are long gone and any remaining stuff is ancient and unpredictable by now. Oops.

I'd just like to add . . . Good luck Ferrania

 

[Photo Engineer]

Kodak made an ECP that was for theater projection and which was intended for short term use only. It had a low level of dye stability technology for dark keeping and only some for light stability due to the need for projection.

Now, both Kodak and Fuji make 2 versions. One is for projection and one is archival.

PE

 

[Terrence Brennan]

There was an inter-negative film made for slides from prints and another for prints from slides (as well as direct reversal materials). Whichever way the customer wanted to go, there were materials made for the job. Of course these are long gone and any remaining stuff is ancient and unpredictable by now. Oops.

I'd just like to add . . . Good luck Ferrania

There were two internegative films (in sheets), one for negatives from Kodachromes, and the other for negatives from all other types of slides/transparencies, as well as for use in copying flat art work. Both types required accurate colour balancing using off-easel densitometry, as well as accurate and stable C-41 processing. For slides from negatives, the film of choice was Vericolor Slide Film 5072, or the sheet film version. For slides from prints, the usual procedure in the labs I worked in was to copy them on Ektachrome EPN or sometimes Ektachrome Duplicating film, 35mm or sheets.

I made literally thousands of internegatives in my 19 years in the lab industry, and a print from a properly exposed and colour balanced internegative would, IMHO, be better than a reversal print directly from a transparency.