Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[fdonadio]

Not at all, such an old-time film and all ciné film is best processed with uninterrupted agitation. The gelatines are not hardened or perhaps only a little and thicker. This calls for a constant flow of liquid across the surfaces.

Thanks for the explanation, but still... Fomapan is not hardened and doesn't call for continuous agitation. Maybe it's because of the thicker coating, as you said.

 

[flavio81]

A nice review from Emulsive of the P30:
http://emulsive.org/reviews/film-re...rrania-p30alpha-guest-post-by-philip-harrison

Even if an 80ISO film is not generally my choice, I can't wait to test some!

Looking really good!! Grain is very fine, Nicola wasn't lying !!

 

[flavio81]

Thanks for the explanation, but still... Fomapan is not hardened and doesn't call for continuous agitation. Maybe it's because of the thicker coating, as you said.

I will refer to what I have learned from (i think it was) Saint Mowrey, the patron saint of Photo Engineering school. He said that for best resolution, development should have continous agitation.

So it seems that the Ferrania guys are wanting you to use continuous agitation, which IMO is a good thing if your wrist is bionic

In any case i guess a more active developer would shorten the development time a bit more.

I have used Tetenal Ultrafin some times and for Neopan Acros they did recommend almost continuous agitation (i think it was once each 5 seconds). It wasn't hard to do, just flick the wrist, flick the wrist. But then, i'm also a drummer (no, seriously!!)

In any case, no uniformity problems if your agitation is continuous. And remember: "Each frame is a piece of jewerly".

 

[Photo Engineer]

Flavio, I would phrase that just a tad differently now, expanding on what you quote.

A Jobo gives continuous agitation (for all practical purposes) and I get best results with a Jobo in all conditions, and thus continuous agitation seems to be the best. This has been tested with both color and B&W films.

However, I have no proof that Fomapan is unhardened.

And thanks for the plug.

PE

 

[fdonadio]

Flavio, I would phrase that just a tad differently now, expanding on what you quote.

After the above, I thought Ron was going to say:

"THOU SHALT AGITATE CONTINUOUSLY!"

 

[fdonadio]

I will refer to what I have learned from (i think it was) Saint Mowrey, the patron saint of Photo Engineering school. He said that for best resolution, development should have continous agitation.

Well... If you're saying, and judging by the source, I wouldn't disagree. PE is PE and you are a Flavio, so I know what to expect.


Cheers,
The Other Flavio

 

[baachitraka]

indeed, and D76, 20C, ASA 80, 7 minutes with inversion every minute for the first 10 minutes? I guess you dump the tank and keep inverting?

No no...it is as described in the manual.

 

[flavio81]

Flavio, I would phrase that just a tad differently now, expanding on what you quote.

A Jobo gives continuous agitation (for all practical purposes) and I get best results with a Jobo in all conditions, and thus continuous agitation seems to be the best. This has been tested with both color and B&W films.

However, I have no proof that Fomapan is unhardened.

And thanks for the plug.

PE

Thanks PE, i'll keep exercising my wrist-o-matic continous agitation device, then.

 

[flavio81]

Well... If you're saying, and judging by the source, I wouldn't disagree. PE is PE and you are a Flavio, so I know what to expect.


Cheers,
The Other Flavio

So much kindness and friendliness!! These are the effects of Ferrania P30, the only film able to pacify this thread. With Ferrania P30, each frame is a piece of jewerly.

P30 pacifies internet forums.

P30 makes pros sell their full frame DSLRs and replace them with Argus C3s.

Freeze any decisive moment, even with your pinhole camera, by pushing P30 to ISO 100,000 (1hr development time in straight D76, continuous agitation)... while retaining full shadow detail!!

Load P30 in your Kodak Disc camera and get results rivaling 8x10" large format cameras. (Your Disc camera also gets tilt and shift movements for free with P30)

P30 cures all ills.

P30 divides by zero.

P30 is able to bully Chuck Norris into submission.

P30 substitutes for Technical Pan, Verichrome Pan, Panatomic-X., PKM 25 and Ektar 25.. at the same time!

Moreover, P30 compensates for lack of talent in your pictures. Legend says that Federico Fellini was seen as a second rate filmmaker in Italy, doing basically italian versions of "Plan 9 from outer space" and "It conquered the world", until his trusty camera man Antani suggested him to try Ferrania P30 movie film. After looking at the wonderful, stark deep tones of the dailies, Fellini discarded his plans for an adult version of "Snow white and the 7 dwarfs" and instead got the inspiration for "8 1/2".

The rest, as they say, is history.

 

[bvy]

I always thought that if I performed continuous agitation with HC-110, my film would explode.

(Stupidly, I keep clicking on this thread thinking there might be real information about Ferrania's progress.)

 

[Vonder]

I always thought that if I performed continuous agitation with HC-110, my film would explode.

(Stupidly, I keep clicking on this thread thinking there might be real information about Ferrania's progress.)

You know the drill: they are working so furiously that they have no time to answer a lot of fool questions!

 

[Peter Schrager]

So much kindness and friendliness!! These are the effects of Ferrania P30, the only film able to pacify this thread. With Ferrania P30, each frame is a piece of jewerly.

P30 pacifies internet forums.

P30 makes pros sell their full frame DSLRs and replace them with Argus C3s.

Freeze any decisive moment, even with your pinhole camera, by pushing P30 to ISO 100,000 (1hr development time in straight D76, continuous agitation)... while retaining full shadow detail!!

Load P30 in your Kodak Disc camera and get results rivaling 8x10" large format cameras. (Your Disc camera also gets tilt and shift movements for free with P30)

P30 cures all ills.

P30 divides by zero.

P30 is able to bully Chuck Norris into submission.

P30 substitutes for Technical Pan, Verichrome Pan, Panatomic-X., PKM 25 and Ektar 25.. at the same time!

Moreover, P30 compensates for lack of talent in your pictures. Legend says that Federico Fellini was seen as a second rate filmmaker in Italy, doing basically italian versions of "Plan 9 from outer space" and "It conquered the world", until his trusty camera man Antani suggested him to try Ferrania P30 movie film. After looking at the wonderful, stark deep tones of the dailies, Fellini discarded his plans for an adult version of "Snow white and the 7 dwarfs" and instead got the inspiration for "8 1/2".

The rest, as they say, is history.

very good Flavio!! you forgot that P30 cures what your headache too!!

 

[Berri]

Isn't colour reversal film due this summer?

 

[fdonadio]

(Stupidly, I keep clicking on this thread thinking there might be real information about Ferrania's progress.)

We gotta entertain ourselves while we wait for news straight from Ferrania, right?

 

[Peter Schrager]

truth be told we have MANY great films out here right now but it is wonderful to see the world of analog expand
in the meantime I'll keep using TMY400!
best, peter

 

[bvy]

Doh! Fooled again!

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Doh! Fooled again!

You're not the only one!
This thread is full of off-topics.
See the above you:

the world of analog

Ai,ai!

This is Analog by Larry D, on Flickr

 

[Berri]

any news?

 

[fdonadio]

Doh! Fooled again!

 

[Cholentpot]

So much kindness and friendliness!! These are the effects of Ferrania P30, the only film able to pacify this thread. With Ferrania P30, each frame is a piece of jewerly.

P30 pacifies internet forums.

P30 makes pros sell their full frame DSLRs and replace them with Argus C3s.

Freeze any decisive moment, even with your pinhole camera, by pushing P30 to ISO 100,000 (1hr development time in straight D76, continuous agitation)... while retaining full shadow detail!!

Load P30 in your Kodak Disc camera and get results rivaling 8x10" large format cameras. (Your Disc camera also gets tilt and shift movements for free with P30)

P30 cures all ills.

P30 divides by zero.

P30 is able to bully Chuck Norris into submission.

P30 substitutes for Technical Pan, Verichrome Pan, Panatomic-X., PKM 25 and Ektar 25.. at the same time!

Moreover, P30 compensates for lack of talent in your pictures. Legend says that Federico Fellini was seen as a second rate filmmaker in Italy, doing basically italian versions of "Plan 9 from outer space" and "It conquered the world", until his trusty camera man Antani suggested him to try Ferrania P30 movie film. After looking at the wonderful, stark deep tones of the dailies, Fellini discarded his plans for an adult version of "Snow white and the 7 dwarfs" and instead got the inspiration for "8 1/2".

The rest, as they say, is history.

Uh...you know someone who'd trade a DSLR for a C3? I've got a spare C3 that I'd trade down for. It won't focus to infinity but who needs infinity? I'll throw in a roll of expired HP5+ we all know expired film gives a more artistic result...

 

[airgrphx]

First Italy delivery?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=945361048899657&id=298210133614755

 

[flavio81]

Uh...you know someone who'd trade a DSLR for a C3? I've got a spare C3 that I'd trade down for. It won't focus to infinity but who needs infinity? I'll throw in a roll of expired HP5+ we all know expired film gives a more artistic result...

And thus on May 03th, 2017, Cholentpot invented MACRO LANDSCAPE photography...

 

[FILM Ferrania]

indeed, and D76, 20C, ASA 80, 7 minutes with inversion every minute for the first 10 minutes? I guess you dump the tank and keep inverting?

Yep, that's a big typo... We have a dearth of copy editors.

In my defense, I was also recovering from a root canal at the time of the original post.

v1.1 PDF just posted.

Also, if you haven't noticed, we've been collecting processing and even scanning info from all of our test photographers. If you click any image in our gallery, you can see this extra detail.

Dead Link Removed

 

[FILM Ferrania]

What about the E6 product, any news at all? I hope they stay solvent. If that means making black and white film for a while so be it.
Mike

Our decision to release P30 was certainly about solvency. I mean, we really LOVE the film, that is 100% true and was entirely unexpected. But as I said in an interview a while back, we don't have investors banging on our door. So yeah - we need to make some money.

The good news is that roughly 90% of what we're doing to make P30 is applicable to making color. This 90% still needs work to reach the scale we need, but it's moving along.

We've also decided to make P30 a permanent product. We'll introduce new formats later this year and new speeds next year.

In order to avoid any more foot-in-mouth issues regarding E6, we will update everyone when we are sure about the 90% mentioned above, and have a clear schedule and solutions in place for the remaining 10%.

(Seemingly necessary disclaimer: These are our generalized thoughts, plans and speculations as of today, May 3, 2017, and are very much subject to change for any reason whatsoever.)

 

[Berri]

In order to avoid any more foot-in-mouth issues regarding E6, we will update everyone when we are sure about the 90% mentioned above

that is the right attitude! Can't wait the news!