Bad results from an 8x10 negative? I'm shocked, I say, shocked! Oh yeah, they were 8x10mm, not inches.
Did they ever make disc film ? I don't remember seeing any under the Ferrania name, though, IIRC, there may have been films under own-brand names ?
I remember also being surprised by how bad the VR Disc results were, even compared with the tiny negs from the sub-min Minox which I had at that time.
I gather that disc film was supposed to be printed using a special enlarger lens and that many labs simply didn't bother. That said, I never once saw a decent photo from a disc camera. The negative was significantly smaller than 110, and even the cheapest 110 camera was just about capable of producing a 4" print. I never saw anything remotely acceptable from a disc camera, and several friends/family had one. Surely at some point one of them used a lab with the correct equipment? I think with such a small neg, the grain was always going to be unacceptable for colour print film. Maybe a low speed B&W film might have worked.
As for Ferrania...they might have the ability to produce unusual formats. They were the last to do 126 for example. Whether they could do disc.....did they do disc back in the day? Can anyone develop it now? Would anyone want it?
It's a good example illustrating how difficult it can be to scale up an emulsion from lab scale coatings to production coatings. I was involved in testing the system performance of the DISC system and all our testing was done on lab scale coatings which had acceptable blue granularity. Unfortunately, when production started, they couldn't match the lab coatings with their production coatings. (About the time the product was canceled they produced satisfactory coatings.)I remember the Disc cameras, and not in a good way !
The last product was pretty good (and of course, the print might have been digitally 'improved'.)I've seen a poster (something like 3x4 feet) sized print from disc film that was spectacularly good.
Rocky Mountain film lab has been out of business for years. I think they will still take your money on the web site but don't expect anything in return.I believe Rocky Mountain will still process disc film. Dave said at some point that they wanted to bring back as many formats as they could. I think they're capable of producing 126. I have never had a customer inquire about getting disc film, though I have had several bring in old discs to get scanned(all we could do is flatbed scan them). And yes they looked pretty awful.
Was the comparison done with the same film and with the same enlarging lens? That would be a fair comparison.
The lens on the good Disc cameras was a novel aspheric lens of supposedly very high resolution. The disc film itself was thicker than other film which contributes to film flatness. So, in my view, any defects on the prints can be traced to film that was not suited to such a small format, and bad enlarging process.
Minox users usually take pictures using fine grain black & white film, which has -in general- higher sharpness and resolution than color negative film.
This was in the very early years - right after introduction.The last product was pretty good (and of course, the print might have been digitally 'improved'.)
Then it was probably from a research lab coating used in testingThis was in the very early years - right after introduction.
Rocky Mountain film lab has been out of business for years. I think they will still take your money on the web site but don't expect anything in return.
Only if that was what they gave to the sales people - "Mr. Kodak" had been a Kodak sales rep since he was the only Canadian Kodak employee west of Toronto.Then it was probably from a research lab coating used in testing
Probably. There was a lot of in-company testing of the system prior to actual sales.Only if that was what they gave to the sales people
Anyone get their P30 film yet?
well some progress, the folks have published a "suggested practices" sheet
indeed, and D76, 20C, ASA 80, 7 minutes with inversion every minute for the first 10 minutes? I guess you dump the tank and keep inverting?
Not at all, such an old-time film and all ciné film is best processed with uninterrupted agitation. The gelatines are not hardened or perhaps only a little and thicker. This calls for a constant flow of liquid across the surfaces.Reeeeaaally strange agitation regimes.
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