Berri...you ARE WELCOME HERE...PLEASE DON'T REACT TO A FEW CLOWNS!!
Berri...you ARE WELCOME HERE...PLEASE DON'T REACT TO A FEW CLOWNS!!I think it will take a few more years before we can find Ferrania chromes available at our favourite online shops. Before someone else suggest me to leave this forum, I am not being negative, just realistic.
We mustn't forget that at the present time Fuji's most expensive (and only) black and white film sells for less than 8€ per roll. I hope that p30's price is justified by being an alpha version and that the finished product will sell for 4 to 6€. I still believe that they are wasting a lot of time with this black and white film while they could be working on what they were paid for: producing a colour transparency film.
Because this will force them to delay their #1 priority, colour reversal film. This is even more dangerous now that Kodak is bringing ektachrome back.so why not make some profit from this while they are preparing all the chemistry and sensitizers etc needed to produce colour film?
At least the P30 has given them a chance to work out the kinks in their web store....
Because this will force them to delay their #1 priority, colour reversal film. This is even more dangerous now that Kodak is bringing ektachrome back.
You are not paying attention to any of the Ferrania videos and kickstarter updates.
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Ivano is their only person capable who is currently employed that can make the correct sensitizers and chemistry etc.
He is busy working away at making the components for the colour emulsion.
Some of these sensitizers take weeks to prepare, and the colour film uses several of them.
The P30 alpha program is putting the coater through its paces and will show up any faults, which is good because if a colour batch was made there may be lots of flaws that have not come to surface as we have already seen, so getting tons of people shooting the P30 as guinea pigs will only help speed up the testing phase of the coater as any problems will soon be reported and rectified when the colour emulsion is all prepared.
Im sure Dave Bias will be able to back me up here
I am though, the thing is that I am not so optimistic. All I'm saying is that it will take a long time to produce transparency film, more than what they make it sound like.You are not paying attention to any of the Ferrania videos and kickstarter updates.
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Because this will force them to delay their #1 priority, colour reversal film. This is even more dangerous now that Kodak is bringing ektachrome back.
One can fully understand their excitement and optimism. It's great that their morale is high. But they need to be cautious with their predictions. With a project as complex and difficult as this, it's simply sensible practice to make ample allowance for unforeseen setbacks.I am though, the thing is that I am not so optimistic. All I'm saying is that it will take a long time to produce transparency film, more than what they make it sound like.
It will be worse PR if they keep making over-optimistic announcements, create anticipation and then fail to deliver.If .. if Kodak would release a new colour reversal film before Ferrania can start producing & selling, then Ferrania might have a PR problem indeed and loose momentum in the market.
So it would be nice for Ferrania to be able to announce and sell before Kodak can ....
An interesting point that I haven't seen others make.With printing being almost entirely digital these days anyway, there's no disadvantage compared with color negative film(processing availability aside) for normal use and you have the added benefit of the film itself being a finished product so to speak.
TRue, but sad; printing colour film in the darkroom is fun and easy! And the results ar MUCH better than digital prints!With printing being almost entirely digital these days anyway, there's no disadvantage compared with color negative film
I wonder what the potential market for E6 films really is ? There's undoubtedly a niche market amoungst the older age group (like myself) who can remember family slide shows and the time when pre-digital colour printing was expensive and time-consuming. But transparencies are no longer the preferred source for magazine and publishing generally, so I can't see much, if any, new demand from professionals. It may be difficult to give new or younger analog users any good reason to take slides as compared with B&W or color negs ? And, finally, the question of ongoing viable and reliable E6 labs ? Not everyone is happy with the idea of home processing, and potentially using what are seen as nasty chemicals in a household environment.
I know the economic and technical reasons suggested as to why Kodak discontinued Kodachrome, but the fact is that the film was iconic, a name well known to photographers and most other people, readily available in many shops, yet, in the end, the demand was not there. I know that Ferrania are relying on a scaling-down of the level of production, but will the demand be there.....P30 seems to be selling fast, but is this temporary interest from just we enthusiasts who can't resist trying a new film ? Are those of us who have used Ilford (or Kodak, or Fuji) films since the days of the School Camera Club and are used to every querk of these products, going to change suppliers just-for-the-sake-of it ?
IDK the answers.
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I know the economic and technical reasons suggested as to why Kodak discontinued Kodachrome, but the fact is that the film was iconic, a name well known to photographers and most other people, readily available in many shops, yet, in the end, the demand was not there. <snip>
If you don't wish to use nasty chemicals in the home.....throw away all your cleaning products and never, ever unblock your drains.
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Really, toward the end, Kodachrome products were not readily available, certainly not at local brick-and-mortar stores.
Remember in that era, Fujifilm and Kodak were bringing new emulsions out almost monthly. Each of these, Reala, Ektachrome Elite 50, Superia 100, Gold Max, Acros, T-Max 3200, Astia, Lumiere.....APS film format....single use cameras...all needed a peg on the pegboard.
126 size, tungsten-balanced slide film, Panatomic-X, Kodachrome 25 and eventually Kodachrome 64 would lose their space to make way for the youngsters
I wouldn't store C41 in the cupboard among the other useful kitchen stuff, like acetic acid, sodium hydrogen carbonate, glycerol triesters, or the scariest (2R,3R,4S,5S,6R)-2-[(2S,3S,4S,5R)-3,4-dihydroxy-2,5-bis(hydroxymethyl)oxolan-2-yl]oxy-6-(hydroxymethyl)oxane-3,4,5-triol aka sugar.something which doesn't belong in a household environment.
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